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    Degban's Anti-Piracy Technology Goes 3-Layers

    We have been flying low under the radar the past few years, but I want to share our newest technology! The following is a very techie explanation of our newest development, but as many of you are into “that sort of thing” I thought I’d let you enjoy it. For those of us who aren’t total tech heads though, we are now operating even MORE efficiently than we were before! We are able to hunt deeper into the pirate enclaves of the internet to find our clients hijacked content, both faster and more thoroughly. If we can find it, we can kill it, at a rate of 91%. So, essentially, now that we can find even more than we were able to before, we can kill it too!

    We are also currently running a promo for any Erotic Art Niche content producers, more details here.
    Please hit me up if you would like to hear more about our process, what it would be like to work with us as a client, or possible info that we might have discovered about your content.


    Degban is proud to announce the successful end to the test run of the third layer of its IntelliDetect system ™, an integral node of Degban's Intelligent Content Discovery Forest, or ICDF.
    ICDF is the core component of Degban's Anti-Piracy Cloud, a Multifold Evolutionary Anti-Piracy Platform developed and maintained organically by Degban's founders and team.

    According to the Development supervisor at Degban, the third layer of IntelliDetect system, known as CPDA (Community Penetration Content
    Discovery Automaton,) is now ready to act in full capacity alongside the two other already active layers which have been in full commission for the past 12 and 14 months, respectively.

    The CPDA is aimed at discovering infringed content shared and distributed in Pirate communities across a multitude of Internet channels. This Component will release the two other legacy Automatons from carrying the burden of deep web penetration.

    Degban's currently employed IntelliDetect system consists of three layers of Content Discovery Automatons. The first layer, the Base Content Discovery Automaton, allows for the discovery of content over the indefinite chronological history of the piracy scene based on a local evolutionary cache of The Scene and the web. This automaton allows for discovery of infringements even after alteration, modification, removal and encryption of such infringements. The second Automaton employed is the Surfacial Content Excavator Automaton. This Automaton tracks content through monitoring and extraction of the infringements recently made available by pirates on the piracy frontiers including: file search engines, link aggregators, search engines and other superficial piracy tools. This allows for discovery and tracking of fresh sources of infringement and monitoring of the pirate hubs’ recent activities.

    Degbans' Development team has three more layers planned for the year of 2012 bringing the IntelliDetect System to a total of six layers, before it’s decommissioning at the first quarter of 2013. The IntelliDetect System will then be retired and replaced by the new generation Content classification system, currently being developed and built on the evolutionary algorithms inspired by the Ant Colony System and Complexity Theory.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_colony_optimization
    Degban is hoping the recently added Automaton will not just increase the current high efficiency of the system, but will also allow Degban to use the freed server capacity to increase the access time to clients with no extra costs.
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    So, after your last attempt to peddle snake oil bullshit failed, you decided to come back, pretend to be a girl and do the same old shit?

    People here might listen to you when:

    You post testimonials from satisfied customers
    You move from a forwarding address in London
    You provide a source for the data you make up on your site
    You stop pretending to be a girl

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    Ella Black is not Degban, Degban is not Ella Black. Ella is a former model who is now a representative.

    P.S. Ella, good to see you back on your feet after your gig at JA.

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    No offense, but Hollywood studios can't even protect their content, and they make millions off of one movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    So, after your last attempt to peddle snake oil bullshit failed, you decided to come back, pretend to be a girl and do the same old shit?

    People here might listen to you when:

    You post testimonials from satisfied customers
    You move from a forwarding address in London
    You provide a source for the data you make up on your site
    You stop pretending to be a girl

    KTHXBYE

    Mate I have only been on this board just couple of weeks but you are proving yourself to be tool!
    who made the sheriff? what is your position in this industry? what is your address?
    Cant you be a bit more polite to others? people like you give our industry a bad image!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    Mate I have only been on this board just couple of weeks but you are proving yourself to be tool!
    who made the sheriff? what is your position in this industry? what is your address?
    Cant you be a bit more polite to others? people like you give our industry a bad image!
    Mate I don't care about you, what you do, your ignorance about rip off snake oil salesman or if you think I'm a tool.

    My position in the industry is owner of my own marketing consultancy. I work for a huge variety of clients including Playboy UK. My address is Flat 2, 91 Millers Road, Brighton, BN1 5NQ.

    No, I cannot be polite to stupid people, racists or people that post utter bullshit made up words.

    Any other questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    Mate I don't care about you, what you do, your ignorance about rip off snake oil salesman or if you think I'm a tool.

    My position in the industry is owner of my own marketing consultancy. I work for a huge variety of clients including Playboy UK. My address is Flat 2, 91 Millers Road, Brighton, BN1 5NQ.

    No, I cannot be polite to stupid people, racists or people that post utter bullshit made up words.

    Any other questions?

    PS Welcome to the board!
    First Off why would you post your address here anyways? Literary no one that deals with Adult ( they call it Smut out side our circle and we know it)

    FYI one of the Biggest Tech companies that does Anti Piracy:

    http://www.baytsp.com/contact.html

    Who has been racists here? and what are you calling made up words? Just because we might not understand some words it does not make them made up!! I have no idea what most of these words mean, I just know this woman was very jolly and polite in her post, tried to report something to us and you come and accused her of being a bloke!! mate I googled her, she used to be a model, Are you really incapable of such basic tasks?
    have a look here :
    http://www.googleguide.com/

    And if you are in marketing consultancy then how would you even know if their service
    is good or bad or made up? How many IT courses have taken in Uni? how much do
    you know about what their doing? I have no clue what any of the things she describes
    even mean but I googled some and it made sense and some I couldn't understand for the
    life of me!!!
    We are here to have a nice time and probably do some business, if their
    service is as good as they claim well great, may be it drives the sales up and we will make couple
    of quids if not then it would take 2 disgruntled ex-clients to drive them to ground.
    No one really likes a Tool

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    So, after your last attempt to peddle snake oil bullshit failed, you decided to come back, pretend to be a girl and do the same old shit?
    How is she pretending to be someone?? That is in fact Ella Black and her contact info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    First Off why would you post your address here anyways?
    Because you asked me to. Why would you ask why I posted my address? And why did you ask anyway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    Literary no one that deals with Adult ( they call it Smut out side our circle and we know it)
    No idea what that sentence means.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    FYI one of the Biggest Tech companies that does Anti Piracy:

    http://www.baytsp.com/contact.html

    Can't see anyone denying that, cupcake. But you knock yourself out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    Who has been racists here?
    search Rochard+mexican

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    and what are you calling made up words?
    The ones on the Degban site and post that are gibberish but intended to sound all scientific. It's what snake oil merchants do in order to make their product sound good and impressive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    I have no idea what most of these words mean, I just know this woman was very jolly and polite in her post, tried to report something to us and you come and accused her of being a bloke!! mate I googled her, she used to be a model
    Ah, so you want to fuck her, that's why you are suddenly trying to defend her? That's sweet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    And if you are in marketing consultancy then how would you even know if their service
    is good or bad or made up?
    Because they have been trying to sell this to the porn industry for some time now. I keep calling them out on some basic bullshit, and they pretend to not see and go away for a few months.

    Do some research.

    Think about why, if you could stop piracy, you've not worked with any mainstream companies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    How many IT courses have taken in Uni?
    None, my degree was in English.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    how much do
    you know about what their doing?
    Just the bs on their site. When you actually question them about the technicalities of their processes you see the bs crumble.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    I have no clue what any of the things she describes
    even mean but I googled some and it made sense and some I couldn't understand for the
    life of me!!!
    I am really sorry, but I can't help your ignorance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    No one really likes a Tool
    Feel free to pop me on ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAJ View Post
    How is she pretending to be someone?? That is in fact Ella Black and her contact info.
    Sorry, Degban have bullshitting so much , I assumed this was just another stunt by them attempting to garner support by pretending to be a girl. I see they are just paying a girl to rep them. I apologise unreservedly for suggesting Ms Black is a bloke.
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    those of you thinking Damian is being too aggressive need to read the threads from last year, before they hired a model to be their front. he is merely repeating the same questions we had then. except then it was a guy on the other end.

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    @Ronnald: You are sticking up for the girl in this thread, which is of course nice of you. but you are missing the WHOLE point. This is not about her, its about the company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    No idea what that sentence means.
    The last sentence got omitted, it was supposed to be no one that deals with adult divulges their address.

    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    Can't see anyone denying that, cupcake. But you knock yourself out.
    Pumpkin, the point was that if BayTSP, whom everyone agrees is legit, regardless of their results, uses a P.O box why
    wouldnt anyone else?, and how would an address help you? Everyone knows where tory headquarters are, it doesn't make any of them less of a crook! does it?



    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    The ones on the Degban site and post that are gibberish but intended to sound all scientific. It's what snake oil merchants do in order to make their product sound good and impressive.
    How did you arrived at such judgement? Can you point one out? may be she can educate us? or we each other?


    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    Just the bs on their site. When you actually question them about the technicalities of their processes you see the bs crumble. .
    This I cant comment, I dont know them or their technology. But if you are so adamant about educating all of us so aggressively why not clearly point out which part is BS?


    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    Ah, so you want to fuck her, that's why you are suddenly trying to defend her? That's sweet.
    See, that is not gentlemanly at all is it? Even for adult, has it occur to you, that I might
    be someone who has been down this road many times before and now is looking out for the younger
    generations ? trying to help out people new to the industry?


    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    Do some research. .
    When ever there is any talk about Piracy you pop up across different boards
    attack the person right off the bat, then you talk about how no one can do anything
    about piracy and then some other random person with some weird ID and only 4 posts shows up attacking that person
    yes!! I did my research now! unlike you I use Google!


    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    I am really sorry, but I can't help your ignorance
    You just cant help yourself can you? you have to be unpleasant.


    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    Feel free to pop me on ignore.
    Why would I? I am here to make friends, chat and may be do some business, cant really chat about
    Porn traffic down at the pub can I?

    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    search Rochard+mexican
    Be very careful with this, there are many different definitions of racist, going around making
    fun of people's English that is pretty racist too. You be thankful people respect you enough
    to speak your languages.

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    Old Tech, glad someone remembers BAY TSP.

    Good idea? Sure. On paper maybe.

    Fact is the internet can not be landscaped for pirated content all to well. Cloud scanning is no different, and I am pretty sure you guys threw the term "Cloud" computing in for some marketing savey language you thought might impress people.
    One might find a few copyright infringers but most usually they are penniless and untraceable.

    You might halt an infringer for a day or two and they come right back anyways. Litigation to pursue is pointless.

    Maybe you guys could get with .XXX and work out something regarding the detection of Stolen content on .COM's create a little buzz about how nothing but crooks and thieves use .com domains in the adult business and ultimatly ban guys that perform copyright infringement in the industries new XXX TLD. it would be a win win.

    At least within the .XXX domain registry they have plans to bar those that steal content from any .XXX registerings. Supposedly.
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    I think my point is simply. Sure you can find stolen content but once that is done...

    What next? Nothing. Nothing can be done about it or will be done about it, unless of course that stolen content is made available where someone has a few bucks worth pursuing.

    Take for example The Tubes.
    Tubes were notorious for stolen content on the outset. Sure they got plenty of C&D's, but content providers A: Do not have the money to pursue infringers B: Once pursuit begins infringers removes content possibly only for it to be put back up a week later and avoids ultimatley any pursuits for the copyright holders while the copyright holder is out of pocket for attornies fees.

    basically if one set's out to make a portion of there business to pursue content thieves it will never meet the cost of doing business after attornies and the justice system unless of course the copyright theft is by company or group with a bankroll that has stolen massive amounts of content and never takes steps to remove it. One can ask a guy named Tucker about this whom pursued a group for heavy infringement. It took 5 years or so and also took alot of attorney fee's and ultimatly there was a settlement. But again thats gross and massive amounts of stolen content without the thieves removing the content or paying for it.

    And lets not forget Google, the largest copyright infringers on the planet taking thumbs and images enmasse and never having to pay a dime for it under the guise of fair use.

    Thus all the above renders you companies pursuits moot. You might get a couple clients sure... But its not going to be gang busters and it certainly is not going to line the pockets of your clients attempting to pursue copyright infringers...

    Its cheaper just to shoot new content, see who pays for it and how long people continue to pay for it, once payers dry up on viewing the content rinse and repeat with new content.
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    its simple: cleaning up is not the solution to the problem, its an endless job to clean up. like alien pointed out, it will be uploaded again and again. Obviously, this is perfect! for the "cleaners", they will never! be done with the job for their clients, they just have to present some nice numbers and graphs now and then.

    The solution is instead something that makes it impossible to steal your content in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizmo View Post
    its simple: cleaning up is not the solution to the problem, its an endless job to clean up. like alien pointed out, it will be uploaded again and again. Obviously, this is perfect! for the "cleaners", they will never! be done with the job for their clients, they just have to present some nice numbers and graphs now and then.

    The solution is instead something that makes it impossible to steal your content in the first place.

    Do you have a solution to make stealing your stereo or laptop or mobile phone impossible? should we then just get rid of the police?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    Do you have a solution to make stealing your stereo or laptop or mobile phone impossible? should we then just get rid of the police?
    oh come on....are you being for real....so you go from one extreme to another....

    what has been said here is very truthful...regardless of you (a n00b) being butt hurt for someone else being attacked regarding old company practices....

    obviously you dont own your own content...so let the people that own their own content tell you the facts....and yes i do work for a full blown studio and we own all of our own content...

    you will never be able to stop people from stealing your content...period...no matter what you do you will not be able to stop it...secondly as stated thieves will steal your content and then if caught will remove it only to have it put right back up again a week later...many times by the very staff of that site that was told to take it down....getting content removed is like playing whack a mole...how do i know...because i have spent many a days scrubbing thieving douche bags sites for my content and sending out C&Ds and some companies..CCBill for one, wont even do shit about it when you tell them that they are processing a known theif....you spend your time playing chase....CCBill still has not gone after the site that is making money off my content...and they still process for this fucktard...

    so unless you have had to scrub sites for your content, or had to spend numerous hours trying to fight to have your content removed....my advice..sit back an educate yourself because the adults are speaking....and as for an earlier comment about people call it "Smut" outside of the industry....maybe in your little circle of life...and a comment like that honestly shows that you really should educate yourself about what we are talking about...if you are truly a newbie....my sig says otherwise

    so how a company can honestly tell you that they are going get your content removed is completely a false statement....they may be able to remove it for a day or two, maybe a week...but unless they can physically shut down or physically get the content, they are simply getting paid to play whack a mole....

    as for Degban & Ella...i cannot say who she is and what she has to do with the company...is she just a pretty face trying to sell crap....that has yet to be unveiled to me...i am not taking sides about them...simply about the difficulties of actually getting content removed forever...because it simply cannot happen...so you are paying someone to look for your content...and what stops the cop from working with the robbers...again, not stating this about anyone in this thread..but it would be very convenient to have the cops say that the robbers have your content and then get it removed and get paid, but then allow it back up only to say we found your content, pay us....kind of like Brazil and their thieves & cops...

    what you said about getting rid of cops?...come on, how new are you...cops can get physical items and they are the law and can arrest you....last time check there is not one content removal company that has any real authority to arrest and throw people in jail...glorified mall cops in other words...plus the real police wouldnt do anything about theft on the internet
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    let me make it simple for you:

    Lets pretend you have a waterleak in your kitchen. Whole floor is flooded.
    A cleaner approaches you and say, hey i can mop your floor. today, tomorrow, the day after, and next week. and any days after that.
    A plumber approaches you and say, hey i can stop the leak! or/and turn the water off.

    Which is the best solution?
    Sure, the "plumber" doesnt exist yet in our industry but that doesnt make the "cleaner" look better.

    I think it was on xbiz.net forum someone pointed out (who had the facts) that the number of people who stole was minimal, but the people who duplicate files on file lockers is massive. The time it takes to find, report and wait for a link to be taken down, and the cost, is it really worth it? when a new link will pop up in seconds by someone ho just use the remote load feature of the lockers?
    Wouldnt it make more sense to find out who the initial thief/thieves are, and end the problem earlier?

    @ronnald: are you a content producer yourself?

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    You guys are what make the forum boards, The Forum Boards.

    Now a few points to clear up. Indeed, piracy will never end. As long as someone creates a product that is worth having, it will be stolen and re-distributed. That is true. The objective is to decrease the supply of a product so that you, the owner can control the distribution. That increases the demand. If your content is as damn good as you are willing to invest in it, then people will want it. It's just a matter of where will they find it and how much will they pay? If they don't have to look very hard to find it for free, well, there ya have it. If however, they have to either look VERY hard to find it for free, or very easily go to your site and pay for it, our objective is to push them toward the latter.

    And yes, very often the links are re-uploaded, and NOT in a "matter of days" but rather, sometimes in a matter of hours. However, what we have been able to do is more efficiently and more effectively find a far more vast amount of infringements and remove them quickly. We keep these links in our database and find all the sources for them across the internet. We are sending out easily, 250 -1000 notices per day, each with 50 - 300 infringements listed, and checking back to a) hunt them until they are removed or b) check for re-postings.

    So let me clarify: we are not touting that we can STOP PIRACY from ever happening. What we can do is give your brand some street cred, and let pirates know that if they want to keep re-posting every 4 hours, they can, but we are simply going to go after every single link and make it a waste of their time. And there will ALWAYS be a group of surfers who simply won't pay for anything (cheap bastards!) we aren't promising that magically all those surfers are going to now be digging into their wallets. What we can say, is that now, those who really dig your content and want to enjoy it, are going to have to go to your site to get it.

    If you have tech questions, ask away. If I don't personally know the answer, I'll find it. All the bashing is of course, what the boards are for and I would hate to get in the way of that but...... I know that there are legitimate questions regarding what we do, and how we operate. I am not simply the "pretty face" of the company (thank you btw, LOL.) I was hired because I was in fact previously a content producer and I had my stuff stolen too.
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    So what she is saying is... You can annoy content thieves for such and such a month and hope that it increases the number of people that might buy your content because your stuff is just not as available free.

    Sure good angle but...
    Again, surfers are not exactly picky when getting free stuff. There will always be free stuff. If they see your stuff free they will take it, if not they find something else for free.

    I can see the service as viable as systems like yours have been around for years, the problem is Copyright holders want theft to stop, they want absolute control of the content and the current laws of the land are not supportive of there plight. Copyright Holders need rights and they need people prosecuted for Copyright theft. If stolen content remains on the fringes it is more or less and affordable loss.

    Current laws regarding copyright are a joke and not fitting the digital age. Herasing some pesky content thief does not stop them, there are to many of them. So the attempt to blunt them is more or less moot, no matter how many you find.

    A copyright holder will only pursue infringers if there is a pay off. So the idea is go after the big fish that steal. If Small fries steal it stuff on the fringes it can be construed more or less as an affordable loss.

    Adult companies are creating new content for merely $1000 to $2000, sometimes more but nothing compared to Mainstream where productions easily reach 100's of thousands of dollars.

    SO whats cheaper? spending 10K on the court system to take down an idiot that has no cash worth filing for? Or spend 10K and make 5 more movies?

    Kinda a no brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EllaBlack View Post
    The objective is to decrease the supply of a product so that you, the owner can control the distribution.
    To decrease the supply, surely getting hold of the initial! thief would be better no?

    I doubt those who duplicate the stolen content on to new file lockers care too much if the links get taken down. simply because it is so easy to remote upload the files, and edit some forum post where the links are posted. they make money for every download, regardless if it was their first, second or third link.

    They are in it for the money, not for the free porn (that's for the people who actually download the files), so if you go take down their links you are essentially stopping them from making money. They will simply re-upload again, because it is worth their while.

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    also, its not 100% bashing its also a very important and heated topic. this thread is not the first on the topic, nor the first with degban in it. What would be very! interesting is if some clients of yours actually came in here and told us what they think. So far its one guy standing up for you here, and he is standing up more for you personally than your company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    The last sentence got omitted, it was supposed to be no one that deals with adult divulges their address.
    Are you new to this? Lots of people do. The ones with nothing to hide. I think Playboy, Hustler, Kink etc all have pretty well known addresses. /me shakes his head.

    My whois is public and I have no shame. If you feel the need to hide, fair enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    Pumpkin, the point was that if BayTSP, whom everyone agrees is legit, regardless of their results, uses a P.O box why
    wouldnt anyone else?,
    It's not a PO Box. It's a forwarding address. The thing that tiny outfits use to make it look like they have big london offices. It's one part of the 'convincer' a con man uses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    and how would an address help you? Everyone knows where tory headquarters are, it doesn't make any of them less of a crook! does it?
    Your points are made with little thought.

    Again, my point is degban are pretending to have big london offices, but in reality it is just a forwarding address.

    Nothing to do with people being crooks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    How did you arrived at such judgement? Can you point one out? may be she can educate us? or we each other?
    I used my brain, I read their site, I questioned the last rep that came here last year.

    What have they done for you that makes you think they are great? Apart from want to fuck the rep.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    This I cant comment, I dont know them or their technology.
    Oh, so you are just totally talking out of your arse in this thread then. Brilliant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    But if you are so adamant about educating all of us so aggressively why not clearly point out which part is BS?
    Show me a part that isn't BS, it would be quicker.

    However, all of this is totally made up baseless bollocks. When challenged, they refused to post the source for this bullshit

    http://www.degban.com/piracy.html


    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    See, that is not gentlemanly at all is it? Even for adult, has it occur to you, that I might
    be someone who has been down this road many times before and now is looking out for the younger
    generations ? trying to help out people new to the industry?
    No, it occurs to be you are a newb with two domains and a blog. The questions you are asking of me make it clear you are not a vet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    When ever there is any talk about Piracy you pop up across different boards
    attack the person right off the bat, then you talk about how no one can do anything
    about piracy
    I don't think I've ever attacked the person, that's not my style, just the bullshit solutions they are trying to sell desperate people. It bothers me no end that people are charging 4 figures a month to producers pretending they are stopping piracy. They aren't. They are simply rinsing people who are desperate. It's a clever business model for them, but it sickens me. It doesn't stop piracy. It doesn't impact sales. It's a massive fucking con.

    Ask yourself:

    1) Why are they not working with Mainstream
    2) Why are they not publishing A SINGLE public case study proving an increase in sales after using them
    3) Why do they refuse to answer A SINGLE technical question about what they do

    I imagine they have some staff sending out DMCA faxes and charge hundreds of pounds a month for this. There is no special technology. There is no Big User Litigation Sexy Home Internet Test.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    and then some other random person with some weird ID and only 4 posts shows up attacking that person
    yes!! I did my research now! unlike you I use Google!
    Not very well, love. I never, ever have used a fake nick on a porn board. Apart from cashinenvelope but that was a marketing trick for WMA 3 years ago.

    It's so sweet you took time out of your day to stalk me though!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    You just cant help yourself can you? you have to be unpleasant.
    That's not unpleasant. That's just a fact, love. You posted about some words you couldn't understand. What did you expect me to do? Translate for you? I really am not responsible for your lack of comprehension.

    Again, feel free to NOT READ MY POSTS if they bother you. Pointing out you find me unpleasant really makes no difference and is a pointless contribution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    Why would I? I am here to make friends, chat and may be do some business, cant really chat about
    Porn traffic down at the pub can I?
    You're not chatting about porn traffic to me. You are attempting taking me to task, pointlessly and boringly, for pointing out degban are a bunch of bullshitters.

    How is this useful for anyone? Please do go down the pub. I'm sure there are people you don't know there that you can call names and be rude to.

    Tough guy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    Be very careful with this, there are many different definitions of racist, going around making
    fun of people's English that is pretty racist too.
    Please show me just ONE dictionary with a definition of racism that says "A racist is someone that takes the piss out of someone's bad English on internet forums"

    Then show me where I have made fun of the English you are speaking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    You be thankful people respect you enough
    to speak your languages.
    Ah yes, of course, the world speaks English out of RESPECT to us, not because we used to be an empire and conquered everywhere.

    I love how you wear your ignorance on your sleeve like it is something to be proud of.


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    Why do you think the service they offer is good?
    Why do you care what I think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EllaBlack View Post
    The objective is to decrease the supply of a product so that you, the owner can control the distribution. That increases the demand. If your content is as damn good as you are willing to invest in it, then people will want it. It's just a matter of where will they find it and how much will they pay? If they don't have to look very hard to find it for free, well, there ya have it. If however, they have to either look VERY hard to find it for free, or very easily go to your site and pay for it, our objective is to push them toward the latter.
    Please provide a case study where one of your clients is now controlling the distribution of their product. And it isn't available on moody sites. You said at the zoo you'd email me, still not got anything from you.

    Quote Originally Posted by EllaBlack View Post
    And yes, very often the links are re-uploaded, and NOT in a "matter of days" but rather, sometimes in a matter of hours.
    Glad you admit it's pointless.

    Quote Originally Posted by EllaBlack View Post
    However, what we have been able to do is more efficiently and more effectively find a far more vast amount of infringements and remove them quickly. We keep these links in our database and find all the sources for them across the internet. We are sending out easily, 250 -1000 notices per day, each with 50 - 300 infringements listed, and checking back to a) hunt them until they are removed or b) check for re-postings.
    Right, now we get to the nuts and bolts of it. You've worked out a way to make it REALLY REALLY EASY to find thousands of places that will respond to a DMCA so it makes you look good?

    Doesn't actually stop piracy, as you admit. The files will be reupped in a matter of hours, as you admit. But you have worked out a way to let you send lots of DCMAs.

    Makes sense. Nice one.

    Quote Originally Posted by EllaBlack View Post
    So let me clarify: we are not touting that we can STOP PIRACY from ever happening. What we can do is give your brand some street cred, and let pirates know that if they want to keep re-posting every 4 hours, they can, but we are simply going to go after every single link and make it a waste of their time.
    Which release groups have you stopped? You've been trying to sell this to porn for years now, you must have an impressive case study showing the pirate groups you've shut down? Where is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by EllaBlack View Post
    What we can say, is that now, those who really dig your content and want to enjoy it, are going to have to go to your site to get it.
    Please provide a list of clients who have no pirated content online.

    Quote Originally Posted by EllaBlack View Post
    If you have tech questions, ask away.
    1) What is the source for http://www.degban.com/piracy.html? How was the data gathered?

    2) Why aren't you working with a single mainstream film company?

    3) How does the CPDA work?

    4) Why do 5% of your DMCAs fail?

    5) What do the following words mean: Surfacial, Forest (as in content discover forest), Multifold, Automaton, Deep Web,

    6) Have your bosses learnt about affiliates putting clips on tube sites yet? (couple of years ago they didn't get that part of the business)

    Quote Originally Posted by EllaBlack View Post
    If I don't personally know the answer, I'll find it.
    Look forward to the answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    Why do you feel the need to try and defend Degban?
    Why do you think the service they offer is good?
    Why do you care what I think?
    Had too many Carlsbergs to stay up and argue with you now, but will respond to the last 3 questions

    1) I am not defending Degban, I just don't like how you all gang up on someone and attack them like this, specially
    when you are being hostile, it reminds me of me when I were younger and worked for a start up, I used to get
    attacked by the other company's "Friends" in person and on forums etc, was not nice then, it is not nice now
    you can be politer and believe me your criticisms will have more effect, this way it seems you feel they are posing
    a threat to you!

    2) I have no idea if they are good or bad, but Tesco's sucks doesn't mean I am going to go shout at their
    employees, just dont shop there! Have they hurt anyone you know? or you? dont use their service mate!

    3)I dont care what you think or say, just be polite, you give yourself the right to attack someone to whom
    you are not even part of the clientele and I cant argue with you for being rude and hostile for no reason?

    And that comment about being the conquerer empire, and you are not racist you say? try that next time
    you are up in Bradford mate. Its something about your conquerer empire when Curry is the standard food
    in pub quiz nights mate.

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    At last! I have returned! I actually didn’t need a reminder, I just needed the time to be able to answer all of your questions.
    Before I address them, I want to first talk about what we do. I have seen some of the past Degban posts (from long before my time,) and can understand how they seemed a bit vague. I am not sure they ever posted what we really do, so I would like to clear that up now. This is going to be a two part post.

    Here are the basics, and we can dive into any technological questions in a bit.

    Our entire strategy is built on technology. Most of that is obviously proprietary, but I will try to share as much as I can. Our servers run 24 hours a day 365 days a year. They never stop, they never turn off. They are intelligent servers programmed with our client’s meta-data. They either take the meta-data from full-length content already found on the internet to catalog it, they learn it from CSV files given to us by our clients, our they go into the members area of our clients sites and memorize what is there. We look all across the internet, any type of file, any type of location. Torrents, HTTP links, forums, search engines, tubes, file sharing sites, etc.

    Because they run all the time, and with different algorithms and search functions programmed by Degban, we are able to find huge numbers of pirated content belonging not only to our clients, but to studios with content similar to our clients. Our servers are able to locate content even if it has been warped, edited, and in other ways mutilated by the up-loaders. In order to process these infringements as belonging to our clients, the content goes through a variety of scans, including one with human elements to ensure that the infringed material does in fact belong to our client. When we have ensured that it belongs to them, we are authorized to remove it, and that is exactly what we do.

    Our servers are doing this constantly, and simultaneously sending out notices. There is no staff standing at a fax machine. And in fact, our success numbers to us have nothing to do with the notices sent, although we copy our clients on every single one of them. We count our success by the links REMOVED. Once removed, the link is still in our system and is constantly checked for re-posting. We DO have staff, but they are not the ones manually writing up and sending out take down notices.

    Our service consists of a few elements. There is 24 hour monitoring. This is the constant discovery of new links, re-posted links, links that were noticed and ignored by the site, Torrent files, Seeders to those files, etc. Then, there is the removal part. Some of this, yes, if easy for us, as we have sites that know we will not stop with them until they remove our client’s content. They remove these instantly. The removal process also consists of the chase that sometimes happens. So, if pirates want to play chase, and move ISP’s for example, we still go after them, track them, and continue with the removal endeavor until they have complied. There are also sites who take forever to remove content, simply because they like to argue over everything. This struggle happens no doubt, the difference is, we do it for you.

    One of the biggest advantages to what we do is that we can get out more take-down notices than any human team can. We do it faster, and because we do it correctly to the minute details, they are followed and respected, vs. being chucked in the garbage as incorrectly filled out. We don’t JUST send out U.S. DMCA’s but send out the corresponding take down notices for the other countries as well.
    During all of this process a few things happen: firstly we have a Client Area that provides 24 hour access to our clients. In this area they know at all times (it is updated daily,) how many links we have discovered, how many links we have removed, how many torrents we have discovered, peers, etc. Additionally, we provide the exact link found, and every single source found for that link as well. Each of the numbers we report can be verified at any time by our clients.

    The other thing that happens is that we build a paper trail for our clients. We are obsessed with keeping records for everything. Our client gets a copy of every single notice sent out, as previously mentioned, and we keep track of sites that don’t comply with the notices. WE DO NOT do the litigation piece. This is another topic entirely and as it is slightly separate from our normal service. I’m not going to dive into it unless there are questions about it specifically.


    I may have left something out, and if you need clarification on anything, as long as I can give you more info without diving into proprietary stuff, I will answer further questions.

    I will continue with the other questions in a bit.
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    One thing that comes to mind is I remember back in the day when the Internet was still new to the public and you had antivirus companies who would actually create viruses in order to sell their software. Doesn't get much more crooked than that, but they got away with it and made millions upon millions of dollars by creating a problem and then a solution to that problem.

    Now, before you guys get the wrong impression please note I'm not claiming that Degban is a shady operation, perhaps they are quite legit. It's just that when it comes to piracy, how hard is it for such a company to spread piracy in order to increase their business? Not saying Degban would ever do that, I don't even know who they are, I just try to see things from all angles. I've been working online since 1998 myself, not as long as some of you here I know, but I've seen a lot of so called legit companies do a lot of shady things so forgive me if I'm not so quick to praise or accept without more facts.

    For all I know it's quite possible that Degban is sincerely working around the clock to do something good here and be innovative. Also, it's not like they need to spread piracy in order to generate business, there's enough piracy that occurs without that, all I meant from my above statement is it wouldn't be far fetched for a company to do such a thing.

    Regardless of what Degban is attempting to do here, I think dizmo said it best by stating:

    "The solution is instead something that makes it impossible to steal your content in the first place."

    However, unfortunately that seems to be an impossible task. Sure would be nice if it were possible though. Whoever could come up with a solution like that would likely become an overnight multi-billionaire.

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    Now, to answer some questions. First of all I had to chuckle that you thought I was a MALE! LOL you can see from the other side that someone posted real-life proof.
    As there were some clients on there that openly stated their satisfaction with the service, I didn’t feel the need to ALSO email you. We are VERY careful about any information we let out into the public arena (which accounts for all the mystery before my time.) This is very simply because all the programmers etc at Degban are UBER paranoid about giving up any personal information - they go after pirates for a living, I can understand that. The other reason is that a lot of our success in finding links deeply hidden and removing links quickly and efficiently has to do with our anonymity. We make it a practice to not leave breadcrumbs and that theme goes throughout every operation we perform.


    "Glad you admit it's pointless."

    Removal of infringing links is not pointless. Tedious and never ending, yes, but not pointless. Our clients are billed monthly, and during that month we go after anything and everything we find. So, if a link is removed one day, and is reposted the next day, we simply remove it again, and again and again. While that link is dead, it is not being downloaded for free. It’s pretty simple. While it’s alive and sitting there, people download it for free, when it’s dead, they don’t. So, not pointless. Additionally, we have found that once pirates notice a certain content being continuously removed, it becomes less valuable for them to pirate and repost that specific content. Be careful to listen to the rest of what I will say here, as taking it out of context will be inaccurately quoting me. Though this constant removal discourages piracy of certain content, that state of discouragement is quickly evaporated when content goes unmonitored. Think of how quickly flies track right back to a plate of food when the hand swatting at them is no longer there.



    "Right, now we get to the nuts and bolts of it. You've worked out a way to make it REALLY REALLY EASY to find thousands of places that will respond to a DMCA so it makes you look good?"

    Actually, that’s not accurate. Our success rates are based on how many links we FIND and REMOVE, not simply the notices we send. It doesn’t do our clients a whole lotta good if we say we sent out 1500 notices, and none of those were removed, does it? Now, you bring up an interesting point. There are many who base the success of an Anti-Piracy project on notices sent out. We do not. Doesn’t help at all if they aren’t removed.

    1) What is the source for http://www.degban.com/piracy.html? How was the data gathered?

    Our data: We have a huge catalogue of textual meta-data for Studios and Websites, it includes their DVD names and website brand title, we use these as seed to our Content discovery Automaton to extract their meta data .i.e. Pattern data. After having the full set of meta data we can identify piracy on the web for any studio, client or non-client. Of course if they are not a client, we just keep the data, such data on our website comes from the periodical run of our servers and search of stolen content and classifying them.
    Geographical data are obtained through analysis of IPs sharing the content.


    2) Why aren't you working with a single mainstream film company?
    We are focusing on Adult right now. Adult is where I came from. Having mainstream clients or not is rather irrelevant, as this is the Adult industry. Mainstream clients don’t have any bearing on our quality of service, we are simply a young company and started in Adult.

    3) How does the CPDA work?
    Though I would love to answer this question, it’s one of the proprietary kind, and I am not at liberty to discuss the inner workings of our technology. Would you like to substitute a different question?

    4) Why do 5% of your DMCAs fail?
    91% is our guaranteed kill rate, it’s often higher than that. No one can eliminate piracy 100%, I’ve stated this enough, so it should stick with you now that I truly believe it. There are times when pirates are…… difficult, they don’t want to comply, they don’t feel compelled to comply, and so they don’t. Hence, the take-down notice does not remove the link. Pirates disappear into the mountains of Timbuktoo, it happens. 91% is our ROLLING kill rate. The notices that “fail” we follow to their root. We keep after them until they are resolved. Anyone who guarantees you 100% removal at all times is lying to you. We try to get as close as possible, and 91% rolling is pretty good. Now, we could say we will send NOTICE for 100% of those links, sure, that’s easy, but in the long run, how much does THAT actually matter if they aren’t being removed?

    5) What do the following words mean: Surfacial, Forest (as in content discover forest), Multifold, Automaton, Deep Web,

    Definitions:
    Superficial: This points to first accessible layers of pirate hubs, this includes, non-password protected pages and content, fresh posts, RSS feeds, recently indexed pages on google, pages found through google trend searches etc.

    Forest:
    Intelligent Content Discovery Forest: The key word here is forest, forest is simply collection of decision trees. These decision trees feed each other, Lets say one tree is in charge of deciding if
    a piece content is pirated, based where it is, length of its URL wording, its digital pattern, previous md5 hash, the next tree will try to identify what type of content is it, video, audio, pdf, etc., the next will decide who this content belongs to Bangbros or Reality kings and so on. Hence the name.
    more on data mining and forests
    HYPERLINK "http://nymetro.chapter.informs.org/prac_cor_pubs/RandomForest_SteinbergD.pdf"http://nymetro.chapter.informs.org/prac_cor_pubs/RandomForest_SteinbergD.pdf

    Intelligent Content Discovery Forest: The key word here is forest. Forest is simply a collection of decision trees. These decision trees feed each other. Let’s say one tree is in charge of deciding if a piece of content is pirated, based on where it is, length of its URL wording, its digital pattern, previous md5 hash. The next tree will try to identify what type of content it is; video, audio, pdf, etc. The next will decide who this content belongs to Bangbros or Reality king and so on. Hence the name.
    For your reading pleasure, more on data mining and forests
    HYPERLINK "http://nymetro.chapter.informs.org/prac_cor_pubs/RandomForest_SteinbergD.pdf"http://nymetro.chapter.informs.org/prac_cor_pubs/RandomForest_SteinbergD.pdf

    MultiFold: Or better known as mathematical topology space, manifold is the representation of a problem or search space scaled down for purposes of a specific target. So in our case, world wide web is one of our search spaces, we try to create a scaled down version in our system to be able to search the web better.
    more on manifolds:
    HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifold"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifold

    Automaton: Is any machine that operates independently of third party interference, i.e human control or support. In our specific case it is a finite state machine that uses a series of rule-lists, coded in the state machine language to operate for a specific target. For instance, our Content discovery automaton uses an internal rule set to find content and identify their nature or copyright owner. This rule set is then updated as the automaton does more work allowing it to function better. More info about state machines here :
    HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite-state_machine"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite-state_machine

    Deep Web: Obscure piracy methods, password protected forum files, pages buried in forums way back, first posts of any blog, old google caches and indexed pages, Pirated content wrapped in layers, link redirections with locks and capthca etc.


    6) Have your bosses learnt about affiliates putting clips on tube sites yet? (couple of years ago they didn't get that part of the business)
    It’s not that we don’t “get” that part of the business. If that could be made to TRULY work, how awesome would that be. We could flip all the theft around and make it magically into money. The problem though, with that concept is that it requires the parties involved in the piracy to give up their lucrative illegal activities for far less lucrative legal activities. Why would they give up $30 for 1000 downloads for a $10 pps for those 1000 downloads instead? We are working on an answer, but right now, it’s pretty hard to get those making serious money on piracy to want to give up that money just to “feel more ethical.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by born2blog View Post

    Bottom line is, Ella you're hot!!
    Awww shucks, you're sweet. More answers coming soon!
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    Looking at your website I get the feeling you got quite a lot of employees. Analytics team, development team, client care team and problem solving team. Include office space in London and that looks like quite a few dollars going out. To cover those cost, there must be quite a few clients? And having lots of clients, is always good. Which means, you must have a lot of happy customers.

    Now, its been asked in this thread before, and it was asked exactly a year ago as well without any answer. Is there no clients of yours that can verify that your service actually has a positive reaction to their sales? Any serious client of yours must have numbers to verify that paying you a monthly fee or whatever, is helping their sales. It would not only make your product look good, if people with numbers/facts backed it up, but it would also put an end to the discussion right here, right now. Plus, maybe get you some new clients.

    There MUST! be numbers to back up your service, there just have to. How else do you pitch to potential clients?
    Telling people you have intelligent meta data programed servers running around the internet day in and day out removing links surely is not enough to close a sale?

    And no im not talking about amount of links removed and dmca's sent out, those numbers come from you and, for all we know can be made up (not saying they are by any means, just saying that they could). I mean numbers from clients. Percentage and profit etc.

    If there is not number to say, for example my sales will go up x% and infact there is no change, then im actually having content stolen and paying for it. That would not make me a happy client.
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    What you guys need is technology that makes people forget what they've seen.

    Cause then it wouldn't matter!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    there were some clients on there that openly stated their satisfaction with the service, I didn’t feel the need to ALSO email you.
    There was one client. So yes, I would like to see a list of testimonials. Still not sure why you can't post them publicly and have to email them to me. But yes, as it was only TopBucks who said they used you, I would like to see more case studies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    "Glad you admit it's pointless."

    Removal of infringing links is not pointless.
    Well, you said the links would be up again in "hours", so what is the point? Can you break it down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    Tedious and never ending, yes, but not pointless. Our clients are billed monthly, and during that month we go after anything and everything we find. So, if a link is removed one day, and is reposted the next day, we simply remove it again, and again and again.
    And here is the real point. You admit the files will be up just HOURS after you get them removed, and yet your clients pay you each month for this pointless exercise.

    Ella: Pay me 500 bucks
    Client: OK
    Ella: We took down 70,000 links to your content!
    Client: Wicked!
    Ella: Pay me 500 bucks, all those links we took down are back up!
    Client: OK
    Ella: We took down 70,000 links to your content!
    Client: Wicked
    Ella Pay me 500 bucks, all those links are back up!

    etc

    What a business model.

    Essentially, you fail to achieve anything and invoice monthly. Genius. And I mean that. Genius.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    Additionally, we have found that once pirates notice a certain content being continuously removed, it becomes less valuable for them to pirate and repost that specific content.
    Right, so where are the lists of clients who no longer have material on pirate sites Ella? Just a couple of case studies or testimonials from people who have seen the pirates eventually give up posting after your company has sent them a few emails.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    Be careful to listen to the rest of what I will say here, as taking it out of context will be inaccurately quoting me.
    I always quote you VERY carefully Ella. Thanks for the warning though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    this constant removal discourages piracy of certain content
    Something you keep claiming, but are unable to offer ANY proof of at all. Why is that do you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    "Right, now we get to the nuts and bolts of it. You've worked out a way to make it REALLY REALLY EASY to find thousands of places that will respond to a DMCA so it makes you look good?"

    Actually, that’s not accurate.
    Which part? I thought you had automated a way to send out DCMA notices to thousands of sites an hour? Am I wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    Our success rates are based on how many links we FIND and REMOVE, not simply the notices we send.
    I didn't mention your success rate. I said what you did, which is to automate sending out DCMAs. I guess you don't send them to places that refuse to respond to them, so you appear 'successful' but as you admit the files are back up in hours, it seems futile.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    1) What is the source for http://www.degban.com/piracy.html? How was the data gathered?

    Our data:
    Oh right.

    Oh, you talk about it as if it is accurate about piracy worldwide. No wonder you're not tackling Usenet, IRC, private FTP etc.

    Might be good to put a source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    2) Why aren't you working with a single mainstream film company?
    We are focusing on Adult right now. Adult is where I came from. Having mainstream clients or not is rather irrelevant, as this is the Adult industry. Mainstream clients don’t have any bearing on our quality of service, we are simply a young company and started in Adult.
    Well, you're not that young, are you? Degban's been trying to sell this to porn companies for some years now, but still not a SINGLE case study. Surely mainstream has loads more money than porn to spend on this stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    No one can eliminate piracy 100%, I’ve stated this enough, so it should stick with you now that I truly believe it.
    You'd have to be a total idiot to stand up and say you can stop piracy totally. You are brave posting that your service doesn't stop it at all, and files are back up in a few hours though. But no one accused you of saying you could stop piracy, so let's move on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    5) What do the following words mean: Surfacial, Forest (as in content discover forest), Multifold, Automaton, Deep Web,

    Definitions:
    SNIP:we just made up the words
    Right, so you are just making up words. OK. Piece of advice, 'bullshit baffles brains' doesn't really work anymore. And certainly doesn't work with a tech savvy audience. Science doesn't need you to make up words.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ella Black View Post
    6) Have your bosses learnt about affiliates putting clips on tube sites yet? (couple of years ago they didn't get that part of the business)
    It’s not that we don’t “get” that part of the business.
    Yes it is. Your colleague posted on another board some years ago pointing out an affiliate had a SoniaCash clip on xhamster and it should be removed.

    It was VERY funny. I can link to it if you like, so you can read up about the history of your employers. LMK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    Had too many Carlsbergs to stay up and argue with you now
    but you're going to anyway! Brilliant. Drunk posts from people with English as a second language!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    1) I am not defending Degban, I just don't like how you all gang up on someone and attack them like this, specially
    when you are being hostile, it reminds me of me when I were younger and worked for a start up, I used to get
    attacked by the other company's "Friends" in person and on forums etc, was not nice then, it is not nice now
    you can be politer and believe me your criticisms will have more effect, this way it seems you feel they are posing
    a threat to you!
    I just think you don't really understand very much cos you are new here, drunk, and clearly not the brightest of buttons. Let me help you.

    A company has been posting over the last few years on all the boards a whole load of bullshit with made up words to try and get money from scared and desperate people. I don't like this. So I politely ask questions around the made up words and bullshit. The company refuses to answer.

    That isn't being hostile. That is called due diligence. I represent a large number of content producers in the UK. They WOULD LOVE a service to help get content removed. But, unless there is a ROI, there is no point spending the money. I try and work out the ROI, but am unable to because Ella cannot provide any testimonials or case studies about the efficacy of their 'solution'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    2) I have no idea if they are good or bad, but Tesco's sucks doesn't mean I am going to go shout at their
    employees, just dont shop there! Have they hurt anyone you know? or you? dont use their service mate!
    If tescos came to a B2B food forum and posted that they could stop shoplifting by using a propietary software solution that manifolded a cloud based fishtable to utilise sonic mushtanks AND failed to provide a SINGLE client that said it worked, I would behave in this way. I would question tesco about their obvious bullshit. Why do you think they should be encouraged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    3)I dont care what you think or say
    Well you seem to. You do little else but comment on what I think and say. Maybe you are ill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    , just be polite, you give yourself the right to attack someone to whom
    you are not even part of the clientele and I cant argue with you for being rude and hostile for no reason?
    You can post saying you think I am rude if you like. But I wonder why you care? Why you are taking up your time with me if you don't care? Seems REALLY odd.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    And that comment about being the conquerer empire, and you are not racist you say?
    No. I am not racist. I was trying to get it into your little skull why people speak English. It's got fuck all to do with respect. It is a fact England was an empire. Not subjective opinion. Read a book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    try that next time
    you are up in Bradford mate.
    Try what, mate? I go to bradford quite a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnald View Post
    Its something about your conquerer empire when Curry is the standard food
    in pub quiz nights mate.
    You're clearly drunk, no idea what you mean. Are you suggesting because indian food is the most popular food in England in 2011 that we never had an empire? You're funny!
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    ok so i headed over to the zoo and i see real peachez is a client of yours.
    how come when i search for "real peachez rapidshare" in google, i click on the second! result which is rapidlibrary, and their first! link is to a forum and they got working links of real peachez posted in january?

    *link*

    Sure, its just one site, maybe its not part of your 100,000 site database. but the fact i found it on first page clicks within minutes, means so will surfers.
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    add "site rip" to your search terms!
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    sure,
    first page result, first non torrent result:
    *linky*

    thread posted june 2010

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    this is not even funny. this is ridiculous. no, its just sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    add "site rip" to your search terms!
    Ironic.

    I love how people complain about piracy ruining the industry and the industry boards link to the pirated content, or tell people where to get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dario View Post
    Ironic
    dont worry, those links arent suppose to work anyway. its content of a customers of degbans. servers are in motion.

    anyhow, i don't wanna be the bad guy anymore so i'm done with this thread, and i wish everyone luck with minimizing the illegal supply of their content.

    also, apologize if i taught people with the links i posted, how to find illegal content. that aren't suppose to be there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dario View Post
    What is it with people not understand what irony is?

    Where did I link? Where did I tell someone where to get content.

    Are you a happy client of Degban?

    Is anyone?

    Anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    What is it with people not understand what irony is?

    Where did I link? Where did I tell someone where to get content.

    Are you a happy client of Degban?

    Is anyone?

    Anyone?

    Bueller?
    When PurrsianWhatNot so much as mentions stolen content you go off on her but when your buttbuddy actually links to it all you do is suggest how to find more. Funny huh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dario View Post
    When PurrsianWhatNot so much as mentions stolen content you go off on her but when your buttbuddy actually links to it all you do is suggest how to find more. Funny huh
    She didn't "am much as mention it", she named the movie and the site to get it. I think that is silly. If you mentioning the words site rip is the same, awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dario View Post
    your buttbuddy
    hey now!

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    to be fair though Damian, you should have told me off. I mean, the thread would been better off being about wrongfully thinking someone is a man, and wrongfully linking to illegal content. Those two things are what are important to take away from the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    She didn't "am much as mention it", she named the movie and the site to get it. I think that is silly. If you mentioning the words site rip is the same, awesome.
    Nice try.

    She mentions that she saw a movie and you jump at her. Your friend posts several links straight to stolen content and instead of jumping at him you chip in on how to find more.

    I don't care either way, I'm just amused by hypocrites.


    (And this is where you will try to save face by saying you were just trolling her or some uncle got his movie stolen once so you're sensitive. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dario View Post
    She mentions that she saw a movie and you jump at her.
    Once again, for the dim witted.

    No, she posted a movie title and the website you could get it.

    I posted adding 'site rip' will show more hits of pirated content of one of degban's clients.

    As I said, I don't think you really think they are the same, I've read your posts. You're not that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianJ View Post
    Once again, for the dim witted.

    No, she posted a movie title and the website you could get it.

    I posted adding 'site rip' will show more hits of pirated content of one of degban's clients.

    As I said, I don't think you really think they are the same, I've read your posts. You're not that stupid.

    Was your card the three of clubs?
    I'll have to admit you're good at what you do, highlighting only parts of the story to bend the truth to your favor. Others may read this and think you're right because they never bothered to check that other thread.

    But we both know this has nothing to do with your post being the same as PPK's. It's about you calling one person out for referring to stolen content then keeping quiet when the next person actually links to it. And not only keeping quite, but adding to it.

    I could get more examples from that other thread to prove my point but I know I don't have to. You already understand but you will try to keep spinning it and quite frankly I don't care if you succeed or not, I made my point. Good luck!
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    who gives a shit if we refer to stolen content, everyone here knows where it is. If it helps make a point then who gives a fuck. As if a few surfers trolling for porn on a webmaster board would actually pay to begin with.
    Not sure what to put here anymore...

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