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Mr. Goat
04-02-2004, 03:30 AM
Okay i have a random reply number writen down and who ever makes that reply will win the copy of advanced submitter!

:D

NOW here is the topic that we will discuss!

This industry changes rapidly pretty much day to day so i would like to hear from you all where you see yourself and the industry in 5 years!

will there still be free sites? tgps? paysites? avs? etc etc...

give points on why you see what you see or explain why you think someones idea is possibly wrong.

im pretty sure you can can take this and run with it its pretty easy and open to everyone.



** just so you know bottom left of each post there is something that will say ( REPLY # xxx ) that is what i will be using to pick my winner! I wont tell you once we hit it we will let the discussion got for awhile then i will tell you all the winner!

good luck to all and lets see what you all see for us 5 years from now!

:beer:

thanks to www.advancedsubmitter.com for the great prize! :)

XxXotic
04-02-2004, 04:05 AM
I see myself retired by that time :) I dont think there will be many monster changes in the way we push traffic, maybe in how we process that traffic but not how we push it. In 5 years from now most everyone should have broadband (I think by 2007 we're supposed to be completely off of dialup) so I think we'll see a lot less picture stuff and move it strictly to video/broadband types of sites.

It's hard to predict, with as rapidly as technology is changing I can see us having virtual reality type sites (I know someone working on this right now) where you can wear a glove (for example) and reach out and actually "feel" the girl that's posing for you (sensors in the glove will stimulate the nerves in the fingers causing the touch sensation to happen) I know he's also working on some sort of 3D (but not 3D modelling, actual humans in 3D) porn to go along with the touch sensitive thing he's doing.

Hard to say really

edit - this post has inspired me with what I may think is a great idea. :beer:

porncargo
04-02-2004, 07:26 AM
i don't think that the glove thing is goint to work in the next 5 years.
because allot of ppl should have gloves like that at home allready for him to have a market. and i think it would be very expensive for someone to get a glove like that only for a pornsite, so the initial signup price would be very high.

Dolleyes
04-02-2004, 10:45 AM
They already have remotes that can direct video, Ifriends has been doing this for sometime now, similar to the moving tripod for webcamgirls.

I agree with xxxotica though I believe there will be more advanced interaction with surfers and porn. when it comes to virtual interaction.

I wonder how long it will take to incorporate smell?

HAHA

This was something talked about throughout ifriends as well, they have always been the leader with new and inovative things when bringing it into the cam world.

TGP's? I have no clue but I do think too much of anything FREE will destroy a market.

XxXotic
04-02-2004, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by porncargo
i don't think that the glove thing is goint to work in the next 5 years.
because allot of ppl should have gloves like that at home allready for him to have a market. and i think it would be very expensive for someone to get a glove like that only for a pornsite, so the initial signup price would be very high. actually no cuz I said the exact same shit to him when he told me about it, he can actually produce those gloves for less then 7$ a piece and sell the site at 39.99 or 49.99 a month and still make nice coin. i mean wouldnt you pay an extra 10$ if you could feel the chicks you're looking at? If I paid for porn I know I certainly would. :)

we're not too far from "the jetsons" type of shit, theyre already working on holographic type displays (similar to how th ejetsons watched TV) technology is in a massive boom right now, shouldnt be too long at all before we're doing some space-age shit in our own home with affordable electronics.

porncargo
04-02-2004, 11:58 AM
damn.
how can he produce them so cheap?
i tought they would be somewere around $500 or so.

Baxter
04-02-2004, 12:11 PM
I see myself doing well and getting involved maybe in paysites maybe :) Still have a lot to learn.

as for tgps, i for see then going more and more for partner or even paid spots, because of all the cheaters and redirect hells. I think movie gall sites will be more and more popular, because more and more people are getting off dial up and getting the fast internet...so i see alot of things changing to movies.

Freesites im just really just getting into and its hard to tell, its good for us to make then but as for people visiting them , as a surfer sees it the have to go through so much to see the pics so its hard to tell

avs still scares me, this is my opion so don't take it the wrong way...but i don't see how people can make much money from them when all people have to do is give out there password after one person has joined, i guess i still have lots to learn on the avs stuff but with all the visa stuff im not sure how long it will last just my opion because i don't know much about avs

The adult industry in general has been hit hard recently with all types of issues and people still stay with it and still make the money , so i think that is the industry can make it through all that and still keep up, then i for see this biz staying for a long time...its all about supply and demand horny people need porn and we have it to supply to them....

Well that's my opions on things take it how ya want

XxXotic
04-02-2004, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by porncargo
damn.
how can he produce them so cheap?
i tought they would be somewere around $500 or so. maybe 10 years ago when 1 gig drives were 500$, technology now is cheap as fuck man, hell nintendo and playstation had those glove things and they were only like 50$ and this is like 7-8 years later so its even cheaper to make now.

Baxter
04-02-2004, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by XxXotic
maybe 10 years ago when 1 gig drives were 500$, technology now is cheap as fuck man, hell nintendo and playstation had those glove things and they were only like 50$ and this is like 7-8 years later so its even cheaper to make now.

yep used to have one they were high tech back then lol

XxXotic
04-02-2004, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Baxter
yep used to have one they were high tech back then lol how much was it when you bought it do you remember? like 49.99 or something? going back 10 years, with as much as prices have dropped would prolly sell for 19.99 now and still be making 200+% profit on it

tranza
04-02-2004, 01:29 PM
I think most TGPs won't take submissions anymore... Only FHGs....

asuna
04-02-2004, 01:33 PM
Visa and Master card will be a lot stricter, there's no way it will be like today, but for some reason I have a feeling that with all the changes they'll make, a lot of people will leave, and make it easier for some people..


Maybe ms and visa will want $750 from every affiliate?

Baxter
04-02-2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by XxXotic
how much was it when you bought it do you remember? like 49.99 or something? going back 10 years, with as much as prices have dropped would prolly sell for 19.99 now and still be making 200+% profit on it

i think when i got it it was like 99 but not sure ill have to dig through my stuff and see if i still have it all my shit is packed up for the big move...to my new apt...


but things are allyas geting bigger and better so who knows what will happen tomorrow, look at computers, you buy one tomorrow and in less that 6 months that computer is slow comparied to a new one just so much technology (spelling sucks ) these days its hard to stay ahead of the game :(

virux
04-02-2004, 02:29 PM
god damn.. those gloves look weird.. what game console are they for again? LOL

asuna
04-02-2004, 02:31 PM
the original Nintendo

XxXotic
04-02-2004, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by tranza
I think most TGPs won't take submissions anymore... Only FHGs.... if they want to lose all of their traffic they will, lets see, 20,000 tgp's using the same 15 sponsors 50 hosted galleries, wont be but 2 days before the entire world has seen ALL of the hosted galleries there are to see.

There's a reason why large tgp's accept submissions, there's a bigger reason why they sell spots too, why worry about converting a gallery when you can GUARANTEE X amount of dollars per day for each spot. Makes more sense that way, no sense in worrying about the sponsor converting, being shaved, people cheating (if you pay for spots and cheat you're just a fuckin retard), sell it and be done with it

XxXotic
04-02-2004, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Baxter
i think when i got it it was like 99 but not sure ill have to dig through my stuff and see if i still have it all my shit is packed up for the big move...to my new apt...


but things are allyas geting bigger and better so who knows what will happen tomorrow, look at computers, you buy one tomorrow and in less that 6 months that computer is slow comparied to a new one just so much technology (spelling sucks ) these days its hard to stay ahead of the game :( 6 months? lol, i bought my machine like 1 week after the processor was the newest on the market, 3 weeks later 2 faster processors had been released :lol1:

my 2.66 is now archaic in comparison to whats being sold now-a-days and it's barely a year old if even a year old :help:

it seems like not that long ago, if you had 1 gig harddrive, 16 megs of ram and a 14.4 modem you were the envy of everyone you knew, hell I can remember me saying "I'll NEVER fill a 1 gig drive, who the hell would need those?" now i have 180 packed in my machine and it's almost full hehe

the times they are'a changin

XxXotic
04-02-2004, 03:40 PM
I'd post my next prediction but I'd need you all to sign a non-disclosure first ;)

madabad
04-02-2004, 04:13 PM
Five years from now I'll still be doing pretty much what I'm doing now only I'll be a lot better at it.:D The industry will probably be more video oriented but that's about it. Within 5 years the government will probably have figured out how to tax everything on the Internet so we'll have to work even harder for our money.

Baxter
04-02-2004, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by XxXotic
6 months? lol, i bought my machine like 1 week after the processor was the newest on the market, 3 weeks later 2 faster processors had been released :lol1:

my 2.66 is now archaic in comparison to whats being sold now-a-days and it's barely a year old if even a year old :help:

it seems like not that long ago, if you had 1 gig harddrive, 16 megs of ram and a 14.4 modem you were the envy of everyone you knew, hell I can remember me saying "I'll NEVER fill a 1 gig drive, who the hell would need those?" now i have 180 packed in my machine and it's almost full hehe

the times they are'a changin


lol ya 6 months was a long time period, and i have a pc in the basement with 64mb ram and two hard drives one is 460mb the other is 1.7 gigs so i know all about the old days..lol i think i still have a trs80 somewhere used to play games on it with a cassette tape how times change lol

edit: that pc i think has win3.1 on it lol

tranza
04-02-2004, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by XxXotic
if they want to lose all of their traffic they will, lets see, 20,000 tgp's using the same 15 sponsors 50 hosted galleries, wont be but 2 days before the entire world has seen ALL of the hosted galleries there are to see.

There's a reason why large tgp's accept submissions, there's a bigger reason why they sell spots too, why worry about converting a gallery when you can GUARANTEE X amount of dollars per day for each spot. Makes more sense that way, no sense in worrying about the sponsor converting, being shaved, people cheating (if you pay for spots and cheat you're just a fuckin retard), sell it and be done with it

Ok, I'll change what I said. TGPs will have FHGs and paid spots only. And in 5 years, I think that there will be over 1 million FHG, well over, so it would be pretty easy to rotate them...

XxXotic
04-02-2004, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by Baxter
lol ya 6 months was a long time period, and i have a pc in the basement with 64mb ram and two hard drives one is 460mb the other is 1.7 gigs so i know all about the old days..lol i think i still have a trs80 somewhere used to play games on it with a cassette tape how times change lol

edit: that pc i think has win3.1 on it lol :lol1: believe it or not I have the 1st computer I ever owned, Apple IIC :crazy:

I still also have my pIII 800 and my p166 sittin in my closet, i can't ever throw shit away

Goblin
04-02-2004, 07:01 PM
in 5 yrs ill probably be doing only my mainstream sites and no adult at all it gets harder as my kids get older they want to spend more time around me and the pc so no work on adult sutff since i work a regular job right now it minimizes my time on pc if i am still doing adult i hope to have atleast a few pay sites going :)

Baxter
04-02-2004, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by XxXotic
:lol1: believe it or not I have the 1st computer I ever owned, Apple IIC :crazy:

I still also have my pIII 800 and my p166 sittin in my closet, i can't ever throw shit away

i know the feeling i have some huge ass work station my dad got from work he knew i was a computer geek and he grabed it out of the trash lol.......dont have a clue what it is but it looks old as hell lol

Goblin
04-02-2004, 07:08 PM
as to old pcs i go a p1 66mhz 16 mb ram 650 mb hd like a 2mb video card :\ just keep it to have packrat i guess :) got a box full of parts too

porncargo
04-02-2004, 07:34 PM
never trow away your old computers.
recently i started to reuse one of my old computers AMD Cyrix 5x86 133MHz 32 RAM witch runs FreeBSD now to manage my network and distribute internet to all the computers in my apartment.

tranza
04-02-2004, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by Baxter
i know the feeling i have some huge ass work station my dad got from work he knew i was a computer geek and he grabed it out of the trash lol.......dont have a clue what it is but it looks old as hell lol

Lol... You can probably sell it or give to a museum or something...

virux
04-02-2004, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by asuna
the original Nintendo
ah i see.. the classics.. :)

wished i still had one.. and play that bird shooting game lol

asuna
04-02-2004, 10:40 PM
Duck Hunt

sexytgp
04-02-2004, 10:54 PM
5 years is too long to predict in an industry that changes every 6 months.
Computer get faster and bandwidth is increasing, so there will probably be more multimedia and more interaction.

Goblin
04-02-2004, 11:56 PM
hey lets not forget the google shuffle(s) that cost everyone money ;)

tranza
04-03-2004, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by green goblin
hey lets not forget the google shuffle(s) that cost everyone money ;)

What about it?

xdcdave
04-03-2004, 12:56 PM
Okay, here goes..

I see over the next 5 years some major changes to our industry as a whole. First off, AVS will be gone, Visa is already making huge steps to rid themselves of the AVS game. I also see all non-complying IPSP's to be LONG out of business, including Verotel, DutchBilling, WaxBill, etc... With them will go the ability for an adult merchant to get their own IMA.

TGP's will still be around IMO, using mainly dynamic hosted galleries (hosted galleries pulling from a pool of images) so that their content isnt static or identical to their fellow TGP's. MGP's will be more powerful though, as more people will have made the conversion to broadband.

It will be a very dog eat dog world, very similar to what we have today, but 10x worse.

I see myself with a much larger network of sites in the next 5 years, both paysites, tgp's, and freesites. Hopefully competing with some of the larger programs today. :)

Goblin
04-03-2004, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by tranza
What about it?
sexytgp made a comment about things chnging every 6 months ia dded the google shuffle into that comment

virux
04-03-2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by xdcdave
Okay, here goes..

I see over the next 5 years some major changes to our industry as a whole. First off, AVS will be gone, Visa is already making huge steps to rid themselves of the AVS game. I also see all non-complying IPSP's to be LONG out of business, including Verotel, DutchBilling, WaxBill, etc... With them will go the ability for an adult merchant to get their own IMA.

TGP's will still be around IMO, using mainly dynamic hosted galleries (hosted galleries pulling from a pool of images) so that their content isnt static or identical to their fellow TGP's. MGP's will be more powerful though, as more people will have made the conversion to broadband.

It will be a very dog eat dog world, very similar to what we have today, but 10x worse.

I see myself with a much larger network of sites in the next 5 years, both paysites, tgp's, and freesites. Hopefully competing with some of the larger programs today. :)

i see that avs won't last too long either ;)
unless they find a way to work around it ;)
which they probably are trying to find a way around it.

Fatbrain
04-03-2004, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by XxXotic
:lol1: believe it or not I have the 1st computer I ever owned, Apple IIC :crazy:

I still also have my pIII 800 and my p166 sittin in my closet, i can't ever throw shit away

Except for X-Boxes...You throw those away ;)

xdcdave
04-04-2004, 01:09 PM
So when are we calling this one mailman?

porncargo
04-04-2004, 01:10 PM
if anyone wants to throw an X-Box my way is more than welcome

xdcdave
04-04-2004, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by porncargo
if anyone wants to throw an X-Box my way is more than welcome

I'd like a PS2, I already have an XBox. :)

virux
04-04-2004, 02:13 PM
hmm.... go here to get it :D
http://www.ebgames.com hahaha

puffyz
04-04-2004, 02:41 PM
i think things will increase, b/c internet usage will just maintain and solidfy more and more

tranza
04-04-2004, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by xdcdave
So when are we calling this one mailman?

I was wondering the same thing.... :rolleyes:

xdcdave
04-04-2004, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by tranza
I was wondering the same thing.... :rolleyes:

I dont think you need to roll your eyes at him though :no: He's getting married, maybe he's busy. :69:

porncargo
04-04-2004, 07:02 PM
maybe we didn't get to the number he chosed. anyway, he said he will let this contunue for some more even when we get to the lucky reply number.
so you 2 will have to be patient about this.

porncargo
04-04-2004, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by virux
hmm.... go here to get it :D
http://www.ebgames.com hahaha
:no: i like free stuff :afro:

tranza
04-04-2004, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by xdcdave
I dont think you need to roll your eyes at him though :no: He's getting married, maybe he's busy. :69:

WTF?? I don't mean no disrespect, I just wanted to know when he'll be informing the winner... That's all..

Mr. Goat
04-04-2004, 11:37 PM
the number has not been hit yet!

close though :) more then 15 more posts less then 25 :)

Fluid
04-05-2004, 12:50 AM
So I can post without running the risk of winning? (I don't need another copy of AS)

PurrsianPussyKat
04-05-2004, 01:09 AM
Good luck to the winner! :)
:beer:

Baxter
04-05-2004, 03:12 AM
im still trying to figure out the free version lol

PurrsianPussyKat
04-05-2004, 03:34 AM
I love AS. It's great for keeping my stuff organized. :)

ApacheAnderson
04-05-2004, 03:44 AM
Do threads deviate like this often here?

My personal tip for 5 years in the future is Mobile porn, I think we'll have to start designing sites with this in mind, using smaller resolution options on sites, like the old 'Frames Here' 'No Frames Here' well be putting up pages with 'Mobile Users Here'.

Use of PDA with wirless and smarts phones is on a major increase so I don't see why people would be using the net on the devices but not indulging in their favourite past time.

Mr. Goat
04-05-2004, 03:56 AM
Originally posted by ApacheAnderson
Do threads deviate like this often here?

this one did get a little off topic :(

virux
04-05-2004, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by ApacheAnderson
Do threads deviate like this often here?

My personal tip for 5 years in the future is Mobile porn, I think we'll have to start designing sites with this in mind, using smaller resolution options on sites, like the old 'Frames Here' 'No Frames Here' well be putting up pages with 'Mobile Users Here'.

Use of PDA with wirless and smarts phones is on a major increase so I don't see why people would be using the net on the devices but not indulging in their favourite past time.

i probably can see 10 years later their will be cyber porn.. where you put on a pair of computer glasses and you see all those porn sites in 3D mode :D

virux
04-05-2004, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by Baxter
im still trying to figure out the free version lol

not everyone is gifted.. so it's alright :D

tranza
04-05-2004, 05:50 PM
I guess nobody wants a copy of AS?? :(

porncargo
04-05-2004, 06:12 PM
it's not that ppl don't want it, they are just waiting for others to post to get in the post# frame they found out after mailman gave a little hint.
witch btw i think it's a gay thing to do.
not to give hints, but to wait for oters to post till you get to a certain number and then start posting like mad with some posts they have prepared after someone else gets to that reply number.

StuartD
04-05-2004, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by mailman
this one did get a little off topic :(

Take the reply # that you drew, and add one to it for every off topic post... including this one ;)

Baxter
04-05-2004, 06:33 PM
Im sorry if i got the thread off topic..:( my bad

All i know about this biz is it is very upsy-downsy, and lots of changes in such a little bit of time makes it hard to predict what it will be like in 5 or 10 yrs from now :(

ApacheAnderson
04-05-2004, 06:34 PM
Well I guess it going to hit the number of posts when I'm in bed so here is what I hope will be the situation in 5 years time:

Porn of all forms will become completely main stream, as the boundries between digital TV and the internet become more blurred people will be able to pick from millions of interactive TV channels on their TV so will be done with porn on the internet. Why bother being hunched over your computer alone when you'll be able to get the same amount of choice and interaction sat on your sofa with your remote in one hand and your parenter sat on your lap.

I don't know if you get this in the US but we've already got about 50 digital porn channels (increased from about five a couple of years ago) and some interactive webcam/chat type stuff our TVs

ApacheAnderson
04-05-2004, 06:40 PM
Oh and I forgot to add that this stuff is likely to be streaming over IP. So all the techys are gonna still be alright for a job.

Infact BT (UK's bigest telecoms company) are trialing 'interactive entertainment' to your TV via 2MB ADSL, so this stuff isn't far off

porncargo
04-05-2004, 07:35 PM
all i want to point out in this thread is that it's almost close to imposible to predict what will happen in 5 years since allot of important things happen everyday.
hell, i can't even predict what will hapend next month :(

madabad
04-05-2004, 08:15 PM
I just don't see major changes, I see improvements on what's available today.

MuthaphukinPimp
04-06-2004, 12:08 AM
if technology makes huge leaps and bounds i think total live shows may be the way to go, forget videos lol, but yeah, no changes can be predicted ;)

MuthaphukinPimp
04-06-2004, 12:09 AM
actually i was thinking a little virtual reality, get into a machine, and it fucks you and shit based on what youre watching haha

madabad
04-06-2004, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by MuthaphukinPimp
actually i was thinking a little virtual reality, get into a machine, and it fucks you and shit based on what youre watching haha
Now that would be a major change.

Goblin
04-06-2004, 12:39 AM
yes as alot say predicting wha will be in 5 yrs is imposable with the wa laws are being changed who knows maybe internet porn will be banned but if it is still around and things are improving i hope to as said have sme paysites of my own :) but as i see if to many people keep giving away to much free porn then there may be no need for paysites ;)

esham
04-06-2004, 02:51 AM
I predict bush will be still in office and will try and destroying adult websites.

esham
04-06-2004, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by ApacheAnderson
Do threads deviate like this often here?

My personal tip for 5 years in the future is Mobile porn, I think we'll have to start designing sites with this in mind, using smaller resolution options on sites, like the old 'Frames Here' 'No Frames Here' well be putting up pages with 'Mobile Users Here'.

Use of PDA with wirless and smarts phones is on a major increase so I don't see why people would be using the net on the devices but not indulging in their favourite past time.


The way things are going with tecnology that will be happening sometime the ? is just when. I bet that in 5 years You will be able to watch plenty of full size movies on something as little as a palm pilot

ApacheAnderson
04-06-2004, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by esham
The way things are going with tecnology that will be happening sometime the ? is just when. I bet that in 5 years You will be able to watch plenty of full size movies on something as little as a palm pilot

Maybe porn movies will come on compact flash cards instead of DVD's in the future.... that's quite an intresting thought

porncargo
04-06-2004, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by esham
I predict bush will be still in office and will try and destroying adult websites.
i really doubt that bush will get reelected, so let's hope that the next guy doesn't hunt us down like bush did.

virux
04-06-2004, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by ApacheAnderson
Maybe porn movies will come on compact flash cards instead of DVD's in the future.... that's quite an intresting thought

what can get more convienent LOL small disc for a load of porn

MuthaphukinPimp
04-06-2004, 12:22 PM
that would be killer, wank one off anywhere lol

porncargo
04-06-2004, 12:50 PM
i don't think it will be long untill you could use flashcards with cell phones and play videos on your cell screen.

ApacheAnderson
04-06-2004, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by porncargo
i don't think it will be long untill you could use flashcards with cell phones and play videos on your cell screen.

It won't... my friend has a phone that does that, mind you it ain't great quality.

tranza
04-06-2004, 02:21 PM
Fuck!! I go away for a few hours and now it seems that I stand no chance of winning this...

Bastards!!

ApacheAnderson
04-06-2004, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by tranza
Fuck!! I go away for a few hours and now it seems that I stand no chance of winning this...

Bastards!!

School Report: "Tranza must try harder"

Mr. Goat
04-06-2004, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by esham
The way things are going with tecnology that will be happening sometime the ? is just when. I bet that in 5 years You will be able to watch plenty of full size movies on something as little as a palm pilot

CONGRATS THIS IS THE WINNING POST!!! CONTACT ME TO CLAIM YOUR PRIZE!

porncargo
04-06-2004, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by ApacheAnderson
It won't... my friend has a phone that does that, mind you it ain't great quality.
cool
what's the manufacturer of the phone? and what model?

PS. congrats esham

ApacheAnderson
04-06-2004, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by porncargo
cool
what's the manufacturer of the phone? and what model?

PS. congrats esham

Can't remember, I'll try and find out tomorrow. I think the Motorolla...

ApacheAnderson
04-06-2004, 06:44 PM
This is the beastie
http://direct.motorola.com/experience/GBR/ENG/MPx200/MPx200_homepage.asp?country=GBR&language=ENG&productid=29156

porncargo
04-06-2004, 06:45 PM
i was hoping it was some kind of nokia. i'm inlove with that brand when it comes to cell phones.
and i can't stand motorola and their piece of crap phones.

ApacheAnderson
04-07-2004, 03:17 AM
You'll be wanting a 6600 then http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,33210,00.html
not sure if it has a flash card slot like the mortorola