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Xmaster
04-02-2006, 02:10 PM
Anyone other then paysite/avs owners buy content these days? I remember buying content years ago to make galleries and freesites but now youcan do everything pretty cheep.

With sponsors giving away endless amounts of content, hosting has come down like 75% over the years (atlest my bill has) designs are dirt cheep for the most part and thats if you use them, I mean everyone before use to just be text and banners thats it, LOL

So I just wonder if there is any people out there who still buy content for their own galleries and/or freesites?

:sot:

Lee2
04-02-2006, 04:07 PM
I do.

Mr. Goat
04-02-2006, 04:59 PM
I use too... but I have not used it in ages. Its all burnt onto cds put away...

Paul Markham
04-02-2006, 05:45 PM
The affiliates who buy content are the ones who don't want to be the 100th person to submit the same content to the same freesite that day.

And the ones who want to control their own traffic.

Think about it.

spideriux
04-02-2006, 05:47 PM
me too, better ratios

rockhard8
04-02-2006, 07:25 PM
I would if I could find content that matched the quality of what other affiliates will be using from the paysites members area for my niches, but right now, to wit, I cannot.

Plus for some sites you have to use the members area/wm area free stuff, like with Raven for example

Mr. Goat
04-02-2006, 07:36 PM
I would if I could find content that matched the quality of what other affiliates will be using from the paysites members area for my niches, but right now, to wit, I cannot.

Plus for some sites you have to use the members area/wm area free stuff, like with Raven for example

No you find a clone and shoot your own content :rolleyes:

graphicsbytia
04-03-2006, 01:21 AM
I ran a poll on 3 other boards about this subject, the results were interesting, I'll post them here for you to look over. The question was:
what type of content do you use purchased, sponsor, exclusive or combination? the votes were private so no one would exagerate

gfy

0% purchased 100% sponsor 3 -- 10.71%
20% purchased 80%sponsor 3 -- 10.71%
40% purchased 60% sponsor 3 -- 10.71%
80% purchased 20% sponsor 5 -- 17.86%
100% purchased 0% sponsor 7 -- 25.00%
Exclusive 7 --25.00%
Semi-exclusive 6 --21.43%
I shoot my own 8 --28.57%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 28.


gg&j

0% purchased 100% sponsor 3 --8.33%
20% purchased 80%sponsor 10 --27.78%
40% purchased 60% sponsor 8 --22.22%
80% purchased 20% sponsor 8 --22.22%
100% purchased 0% sponsor 9 --25.00%
Exclusive 4 --11.11%
Semi-exclusive 3 --8.33%
I shoot my own 6 --16.67%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 36.


netpond

0% purchased 100% sponsor 6 --27.27%
20% purchased 80%sponsor 5 --22.73%
40% purchased 60% sponsor 2 --9.09%
80% purchased 20% sponsor 4 --18.18%
100% purchased 0% sponsor 2 --9.09%
Exclusive 3 --13.64%
Semi-exclusive 2 --9.09%
I shoot my own 3 --13.64%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 22

Mr. Goat
04-03-2006, 01:56 AM
wow.. I mean sure you only have 86 votes there total but its pretty spread out... I would have thought of diffrent results. thanks for sharing ;)

Mr. Blue
04-03-2006, 02:05 AM
I ran a poll on 3 other boards about this subject, the results were interesting, I'll post them here for you to look over. The question was:
what type of content do you use purchased, sponsor, exclusive or combination? the votes were private so no one would exagerate

I don't mean to be a fly in the oinment, lol, but those numbers just aren't reflective of what I see submitted to tgps. It may be different for freesites and other areas of porn, but for tgps the amount of bought content is probably around 10% if your lucky and about 90% sponsor content.

Mr. Blue
04-03-2006, 02:09 AM
I would if I could find content that matched the quality of what other affiliates will be using from the paysites members area for my niches, but right now, to wit, I cannot.

Plus for some sites you have to use the members area/wm area free stuff, like with Raven for example

I'm in agreeance with rockhard on this one...there's some sponsor content that just far surpasses anything I can find bought...I've given up looking for decent anal sex content, hardcore content, as there's just a serious void there in the content marketplace.

graphicsbytia
04-03-2006, 02:11 AM
I don't mean to be a fly in the oinment, lol, but those numbers just aren't reflective of what I see submitted to tgps. It may be different for freesites and other areas of porn, but for tgps the amount of bought content is probably around 10% if your lucky and about 90% sponsor content.

Hiya Mr. Blue,

Not at all, I love hearing your input!

The question wasn't about tgps, it was about obtaining content, I'm sure tgp is reflected in there along with all the other ways of using content. This is just a statistic, I'm kind of a stats nut ;)

Mr. Blue
04-03-2006, 02:17 AM
Hiya Mr. Blue,

Not at all, I love hearing your input!

The question wasn't about tgps, it was about obtaining content, I'm sure tgp is reflected in there along with all the other ways of using content. This is just a statistic, I'm kind of a stats nut ;)

lol, I wish more tgp submitters would buy content...I'm getting bored flaccid looking at the same content each day.

Paul Markham
04-03-2006, 02:19 AM
I don't mean to be a fly in the oinment, lol, but those numbers just aren't reflective of what I see submitted to tgps. It may be different for freesites and other areas of porn, but for tgps the amount of bought content is probably around 10% if your lucky and about 90% sponsor content.
The percentage of submitted is irrelevant. The number and position of accepted, the amount of traffic and the money earned is what really counts.


I would if I could find content that matched the quality of what other affiliates will be using from the paysites members area for my niches, but right now, to wit, I cannot.

Plus for some sites you have to use the members area/wm area free stuff, like with Raven for example You always have to match up to the site you're sending the traffic. And on sites like Raven Riley you really are stuck with only having what the sponsor gives you.

However there are many sites with exclusive content of girls that we shot non exclusive of, sometimes even our set is on the site. How many affiliates come and buy to get an edge? Very very few, which makes it so much better for those who do.

Paul Markham
04-03-2006, 02:27 AM
I'm in agreeance with rockhard on this one...there's some sponsor content that just far surpasses anything I can find bought...I've given up looking for decent anal sex content, hardcore content, as there's just a serious void there in the content marketplace.
I agree with you fully on this. The non exclusive content market is full of people that sadly do not shoot to high standards.

For years sponsors told everyone that non exclusive was saturated and therefore would not convert and the truth was it was more profitable for most people to shoot exclusive sets/video for peanuts.

The hardcore market is very tough to make pay on Internet non exclusive. The best we can do in a day is 3 scenes. Those three scenes will rarely sell for as much as 5 solo girl scenes and not as much as 3 lesbian scenes.

However with the new deal we have with the DVD market we will be producing more hardcore.

Paul Markham
04-03-2006, 02:31 AM
lol, I wish more tgp submitters would buy content...I'm getting bored flaccid looking at the same content each day.
It's simply chicken and egg.

So many affiliates start under funded they have to take free content in the beginning. They suffer because of this, so many never get to a situation where it's worth buying a set for $10 they can use on 4 galleries. Then the cycle repeats.

graphicsbytia
04-03-2006, 02:35 AM
lol, I wish more tgp submitters would buy content...I'm getting bored flaccid looking at the same content each day.

do you accept the same sponsor content more than a few times?

ChrisExtreme
04-03-2006, 02:39 AM
2 words: false advertising

Paul Markham
04-03-2006, 02:40 AM
do you accept the same sponsor content more than a few times?
Very interesting point.

How many times will the same content be accepted by a free site?

Mr. Blue
04-03-2006, 03:28 AM
do you accept the same sponsor content more than a few times?

Depends on if I'm reviewing for my own site or someone elses.

For my partner only TGP...I've sort of hand picked the people submitting to me and it's been good as they use a variety of sponsors that I don't really have to overthink it.

For my open submit TGP...if I see the same content in the same day it gets rejected. Some sponsors are just too played out, they just either have too many affiliates or not enough content. Also, for solo girl sites you don't really want to see one model submitted 10 times even if they're different sets. There's some solo models that I probably know their body better than their boyfriends because I've seen them so many times, lol.

People can successfully use sponsor content, but they really have to do their research as to which sponsor are kind of played out, overused, etc. Also solo girl sites you really have to use the sponsor content.

Personally I'm now at an 80/20 split. I use 80% bought and 20% sponsor...but I don't work my favorite and most profitable niches now because I can't find decent hardcore content and I'm not risking using hardcore content with sponsors that don't offer the 2257 info.

graphicsbytia
04-03-2006, 05:25 AM
Depends on if I'm reviewing for my own site or someone elses.

For my partner only TGP...I've sort of hand picked the people submitting to me and it's been good as they use a variety of sponsors that I don't really have to overthink it.

For my open submit TGP...if I see the same content in the same day it gets rejected. Some sponsors are just too played out, they just either have too many affiliates or not enough content. Also, for solo girl sites you don't really want to see one model submitted 10 times even if they're different sets. There's some solo models that I probably know their body better than their boyfriends because I've seen them so many times, lol.

People can successfully use sponsor content, but they really have to do their research as to which sponsor are kind of played out, overused, etc. Also solo girl sites you really have to use the sponsor content.

Personally I'm now at an 80/20 split. I use 80% bought and 20% sponsor...but I don't work my favorite and most profitable niches now because I can't find decent hardcore content and I'm not risking using hardcore content with sponsors that don't offer the 2257 info.

Thanks for the detailed answer Mr. Blue.. and I agree on the 2257 point, I wouldn't use any content at all that didn't have the docs with it, it's just not worth it. We've decided to give out docs on all of our content no matter what happens with 2257, it's just good business.

Paul Markham
04-03-2006, 06:17 AM
One of the interesting thing about free content is how good do most TGP submitters really think it is?

I look at this from my side of the fence so forgive me.

(A) We get approached all the time by sponsors who want to buy the whole BBC site at a cut down price or the special offer compilations (100 sets for $300) so they can give it to affiliates. They disappear faster than a snowball in hell when we tell them the price is 5 times the listed price and no discounts. They go else where thankfully.

(B) Then there are sites, especially solo girl, with 40 sets and 20 videos in. With nothing new coming.

With (A) How long before a sponsor, with 100 working affiliates submitting content, completely saturates the content to the point where it will not be accepted? Now divide that answer by the ten other sponsors who are doing exactly the same with the same content.

With (B) how long before the content is so well known to free site owner/manager that he just does not want to see the site again?

Free content works for the sponsor, but not so well that they can afford to pay a lot for it, because if the content is only accepted 3-4 times it's good. But how well does it work for the affiliates?

I'm generalising of course and I'm sure there are a few whales who only use the free content they are given. :laugh:

Mr. Blue
04-03-2006, 08:13 AM
Free content can get used more than 3 or 4 times...as in if a bit of time passes, even a day or two, and you see the content again it will be listed. There's also enough sponsors out there, all supplying enough content to keep this kind of rotation working for a bit.

The problem becomes in the short burst type of advertising push to get affiliates. Let's say a sponsor skins GFY...they have a sudden influx of people join their program, those people will devour content to use for galleries, freesites, etc and for the short term burst the content will get worked heavily.

Fluid
04-03-2006, 09:56 AM
Personally I'm now at an 80/20 split. I use 80% bought and 20% sponsor...but I don't work my favorite and most profitable niches now because I can't find decent hardcore content and I'm not risking using hardcore content with sponsors that don't offer the 2257 info.

why not hit up Jact about having content shot for you? It's not as expensive as one would think, especially when you can re-use it in your own AVS site like a mini-paysite of your own as well. I had a bunch of stuff shot 2 yrs ago for my teen paysite (not from jact, he was shut down then) and it worked out to nearly the same as a semi-exclusive licence elsewhere. Bonus was it was shot to order, came with video and was quite high quality.