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Rictor
12-04-2004, 02:19 AM
...but they only offer a minor Ph.D. in human sexuality. :(

I'd have to major in something else.

crocop
12-04-2004, 02:24 AM
see my post in lauras thread regarding kinsey

Rictor
12-04-2004, 02:30 AM
Please get a clue before bashing one of the greatest men to ever come out of my alma mater.

crocop
12-04-2004, 02:32 AM
lol, no offense but really... i wouldnt praise a pedophile

Rictor
12-04-2004, 02:34 AM
lol, no offense but really... i wouldnt praise a pedophile

You obviously have done no research on the matter at all or you wouldn't be repeating the moronic rantings of the right wing churches.

crocop
12-04-2004, 02:37 AM
You obviously have done no research on the matter at all or you wouldn't be repeating the moronic rantings of the right wing churches.
no mention of how the majority of his research was done on prison inmates and used to define the norms of society as a whole

crocop
12-04-2004, 02:42 AM
Kinsey's Research on Child Orgasm
Dr. Alfred Kinsey's research on child orgasm is described in Chapter 5 of his book Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948).[7] Some of the observations are summarized in Tables 30-34 of the book. The numbers of the children in the five tables were, respectively, 214, 317, 188, 182, and 28. The minimum ages were, respectively, one year, two months, five months, (ages of children not recorded for Table 33), and five months. The tables identify sex experiments; for example, Table 32 speaks of: "Speed of pre-adolescent orgasm; Duration of stimulation before climax; Observations timed with second hand or stop watch."
Did Kinsey instigate or encourage these practices? And did he actually use pedophiles to obtain the data for Tables 30-34? In his book, acting as the on-site reporter, Kinsey did not clearly describe his own role. However, Kinsey's close colleague, C. A. Tripp, made a revealing statement in a 1991 televised interview by Phil Donahue:



[Reisman is] talking about data that came from pedophiles, that he [Kinsey] would listen only to pedophiles who were very careful, used stopwatches, knew how to record their thing, did careful surveys....[T]hey were trained observers.[8]
Two questions cry out for an answer: What was the nature of the training given to these "trained observers"? And, who "trained" them? Perhaps Dr. Tripp or others can answer these questions. A 1991 book review in the respected British medical journal, The Lancet, noted:


[T]he important allegations from the scientific viewpoint are the imperfections in the [Kinsey] sample and unethical, possibly criminal observations on children....Kinsey...has left his former co-workers some explaining to do.[9]
Tripp is not the only former Kinsey colleague to admit that actual pedophiles were involved in the Kinsey Institute's child sexuality studies. A taped telephone interview with Dr. Paul Gebhard, former head of the Kinsey Institute and Kinsey co-author, also confirms this fact:


Interviewer: "So, do pedophiles normally go around with stopwatches?"
Dr. Paul Gebhard: "Ah, they do if we tell them we're interested in it!"

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Interviewer: "And clearly, [the orgasms of] at least 188 children were timed with a stopwatch, according to...."
Dr. Gebhard: "So, second hand or stopwatch. OK, well, that's, ah, you refreshed my memory. I had no idea that there were that many."

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Interviewer: "These experiments by pedophiles on children were presumably illegal."
Dr. Gebhard: "Oh yes."[10]

Rictor
12-04-2004, 02:44 AM
The Culture and Family Institute and Concerned Women for America are militant Right wing religious propoganda machines. They're against sex education and sexual research so they focus on on something that Kinsey touched on in one of his books in passing. The fact is, children do have sexual thoughts and responses. All animals do. Did you not jerk off as a child? Would you not have had sex with a woman when you were 10? I know I would have. I was jerking off 10 times a day back then. The fact that children might have sexual urgest does not mean that adults should act on them with them or that the Institute supports having sex with children.

Kinsey did come in contact with several pedophiles when doing his research. That's to be expected when you survey hundreds of thousands of people. He published his findings in a professional and objective manner. He never supported legalizing sex with children. He did speak out in support of homosexuality, bi-sexuality, and adultery.


As it always has, controversy follows 'Kinsey'

November 18, 2004

Alfred Kinsey, the Indiana University scientist, took a topic that was hushed up and taboo -- sex -- and made everybody talk about it.

That's his legacy. The zoology professor started out studying gall wasps and ended up interviewing human beings about every aspect of their sex lives. His blockbusters include "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" (1948) and "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female" (1953). He helped launch the sexual revolution.

Because sex sells, it should come as no surprise that Kinsey's life is the subject of a Hollywood movie. The Midwestern premiere of "Kinsey" was held in Bloomington last weekend, drawing 1,300 people to the IU Auditorium. The film opens Friday in Indianapolis. Reviews have been glowing. IU Chancellor Kenneth R.R. Gros-Louis spoke last week of the university's pride in the work Kinsey began, which is still carried out by the Kinsey Institute.

But of course, somebody has to spoil this love fest.

That would be Peg Bishop and Nora Hovee and their supporters.

The two women are active in groups that for years have gone after Kinsey -- not because he studied sex but because, they say, he had an agenda: to create a society in which all sex is regarded as normal.

They plan to be outside the movie theater Friday, trying to educate the public. Their concern is that the movie portrays Kinsey as a hero, and the institute as respectable. They fear that the stage is being set to loosen laws on child pornography.

The charges are not new. As far back as 1981, critics have accused Kinsey of sanctioning pedophilia by claiming to document multiple orgasms in 317 preadolescent children. Kinsey reported that information in his 1948 book on male sexuality -- data that the Kinsey Institute later acknowledged was flawed.

"The Kinsey legacy is to advance pedophilia," says Robert H. Knight, director of the Culture and Family Institute, an affiliate of Concerned Women for America, a Washington-based public policy group. "Kinsey's theory that we are all sexual beings from birth has been adopted by every pedophilia group out there, right down to the North American Man/Boy Love Association."

Bishop, active in Indiana Concerned Women for America, says the movie glorifies a man who promoted child molestation. "He was not a normal person," she says.

Jennifer Bass is the head of information services at the Kinsey Institute. So what is the reaction there to "Kinsey"?

"It's been a pretty wonderful experience, but the movie has got its problems. It is a difficult subject, about a very complicated person's life. This is not what we are about today -- the institute is more about sex research than any single person."

As for Kinsey's questionable scientific methods, she says he was in new territory without a road map. "It was descriptive research. He was describing what people told him was going on in their lives. Period."

But the fact that he likely had only a single source for his pedophilia/child arousal findings does not imply an endorsement of pedophilia by the institute, Bass says emphatically. Nor should anybody think the research center favors a loosening of laws that protect children from abuse. In fact, laws on behalf of children and women are much stronger now than they were in Kinsey's day, she points out.

And yes, the institute does have an agenda. "It is to help understand human sexuality and the problems we deal with in our own personal lives."

But Hovee and Bishop will protest all the same.

Rictor
12-04-2004, 02:47 AM
Kinsey's Research on Child Orgasm
Dr. Alfred Kinsey's research on child orgasm is described in Chapter 5 of his book Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948).[7] Some of the observations are summarized in Tables 30-34 of the book. The numbers of the children in the five tables were, respectively, 214, 317, 188, 182, and 28. The minimum ages were, respectively, one year, two months, five months, (ages of children not recorded for Table 33), and five months. The tables identify sex experiments; for example, Table 32 speaks of: "Speed of pre-adolescent orgasm; Duration of stimulation before climax; Observations timed with second hand or stop watch."
Did Kinsey instigate or encourage these practices? And did he actually use pedophiles to obtain the data for Tables 30-34? In his book, acting as the on-site reporter, Kinsey did not clearly describe his own role. However, Kinsey's close colleague, C. A. Tripp, made a revealing statement in a 1991 televised interview by Phil Donahue:



[Reisman is] talking about data that came from pedophiles, that he [Kinsey] would listen only to pedophiles who were very careful, used stopwatches, knew how to record their thing, did careful surveys....[T]hey were trained observers.[8]
Two questions cry out for an answer: What was the nature of the training given to these "trained observers"? And, who "trained" them? Perhaps Dr. Tripp or others can answer these questions. A 1991 book review in the respected British medical journal, The Lancet, noted:


[T]he important allegations from the scientific viewpoint are the imperfections in the [Kinsey] sample and unethical, possibly criminal observations on children....Kinsey...has left his former co-workers some explaining to do.[9]
Tripp is not the only former Kinsey colleague to admit that actual pedophiles were involved in the Kinsey Institute's child sexuality studies. A taped telephone interview with Dr. Paul Gebhard, former head of the Kinsey Institute and Kinsey co-author, also confirms this fact:


Interviewer: "So, do pedophiles normally go around with stopwatches?"
Dr. Paul Gebhard: "Ah, they do if we tell them we're interested in it!"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Interviewer: "And clearly, [the orgasms of] at least 188 children were timed with a stopwatch, according to...."
Dr. Gebhard: "So, second hand or stopwatch. OK, well, that's, ah, you refreshed my memory. I had no idea that there were that many."

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Interviewer: "These experiments by pedophiles on children were presumably illegal."
Dr. Gebhard: "Oh yes."[10]

If you buy that bullshit I have some swampland to sell you in Florida.

crocop
12-04-2004, 02:51 AM
If you buy that bullshit I have some swampland to sell you in Florida.
ill trade you the brooklyn bridge for it :eatme:

Rictor
12-04-2004, 02:55 AM
Here, I'll post some bile for you. It's also complete and utter horseshit. My advice is go to college or at least pop open a book, because the Internet is full of unresearched lies and propoganda:

Hollywood’s Love of Pedophilia

Jason C. Jankowiak

It is no secret that the Hollywood elite in this country are radically to the left of the average person on sexual matters. However, I would not consider anyone I know who is on the left end of the political spectrum in favor of pedophilia. Unfortunately, this does not pertain to Hollywood, as shown again by the glowing new look at the highly discredited Alfred Kinsey.

For those who don’t know who Kinsey is, you will soon find out. Liam Neeson has taken the role of this sick person in the new movie, “Kinsey.” Dr. Kinsey was a zoologist at the University of Indiana, and was an expert on the gall wasp. However, he gained his notoriety as a pioneer in studying human sexuality. In his “groundbreaking” book on the subject, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, Kinsey pointed out sexual practices that many think are beyond the norm were actually quite common, including masturbation, homosexuality, and even bestiality. Kinsey’s research methods were called into suspicion by prominent scientists of the time, including anthropologist Margaret Mead. Kinsey had used mostly inmates, male prostitutes, and known pedophiles for his research to represent the “average man.” It should have been no surprise that his statistics and conclusions were overtly ridiculous. Dr. Judith Reisman, an expert on Kinsey, explains some of the more outrageous examples that have been quoted as evidence for certain perverted agendas:



“Kinsey falsely stated in his 1948 book (quoted in the ALIMPC) that 72% of males practice oral sex, 40-50% of farm boys have sex with animals, and that ‘37% of the total male population has at least some overt homosexual experience to the point of orgasm between adolescence and old age. This accounts for nearly 2 males out of every 5 that one may meet.’”


Kinsey was also known to collaborate with pedophiles for his research, and even defended pedophilia. Dr. Reisman again explains:



“…The U.S. Supreme Court enshrined Kinsey's fraudulent data as the revolutionary moral law of our land, even though it derived from crimes of sexual torture inflicted on at least 317 and as many as 2,035 infants and children, who ‘convulsed,’ ‘fainted’ and tried to escape their abusers. The ‘expert’ Prof. Kinsey, who himself was a barbaric sadomasochist, reported that the little victims ‘enjoyed’ being sexually tortured.”


It is easy to see that Hollywood is sugarcoating the life of a very disturbed man, and I won’t even go into the details of his own twisted sex life. Someone reading this may now be thinking, “So what? This isn’t some Hollywood conspiracy or something. It’s just one movie.” No, this is an ongoing theme of Hollywood trying to protect pedophilia.

Most people have heard of the movie, “Powder.” What most people do not know is that the story of the writer and director of the film, Victor Salva. Salva confessed to sexually molesting a twelve year old boy after police seized video of Salva forcing the boy to perform oral sex on him. After serving only 15 months in prison, Salva was free to make movies. So how did Hollywood greet the pervert? With open arms, of course. In fact, they defended him, saying he had done his time, and that we should leave him alone. The sad fact most rational people understand is pedophiles aren’t cured. They are sick, and even the laws of most states provide that these people are monitored after release, having to register in their communities as sex offenders.

So you say again, this is one situation, right?

Who can forget Roman Polanski, the great director? Polanski is famous for his brilliant vision, his creative use of camera angles, and, oh yeah, the way he raped a thirteen year old girl before fleeing the country. In 2002, Polanski was also welcomed with open arms by Hollywood with a standing ovation at the Oscars for his film, “The Pianist” (of course, Polanski was and is still on the run, so he actually wasn’t there). Since Salva technically did do his time for sodomizing the innocent boy, where is the justification for accepting Polanski back? I’m sure the Hollywood elite have found many excuses, but I do not have the time to research this much stupidity for one article.

These are only a few instances of Hollywood’s love affair with sexual predators. It’s no wonder why Mel Gibson could not get anyone to touch a movie about Jesus.

To epitomize how out of the mainstream Hollywood is, one only needs to look at an interview by “Kinsey” star Neeson on ABC’s “Primetime Live.” In the teaser for the second part of the interview, Neeson was asked a bunch of questions about sexuality in America. One such question was what percentage of the population Neeson believes has sex on their first date. Neeson, after spending the whole interview praising Kinsey, said “60%.”

That seems about accurate…for Hollywood and its depravity.

Rictor
12-04-2004, 02:56 AM
An intelligent man can read that and see the bias it was written with and spot the many fallacies.

crocop
12-04-2004, 03:07 AM
there is no debate, you are going to believe what you believe and its really not that important to me... the bottom line is there are few truths in this world... history is dependant on who is the witness... journalism is a sham... if you are predisposed to believe one thing than you are probably going to gravitate to one thing rather than another... i dont believe kinsey deserves the recognision he got and i think the movie (from what ive heard) is a favorable work

do you think 40% of farm boys have sex with animals? (if thats a legit kinsey statistic, i dont care enough to check)

do you not think that hollywood could care less about pedophiles when people constantly sing the praises of roman polanski and rave about working with him in france

Rictor
12-04-2004, 01:31 PM
there is no debate, you are going to believe what you believe and its really not that important to me... the bottom line is there are few truths in this world... history is dependant on who is the witness... journalism is a sham... if you are predisposed to believe one thing than you are probably going to gravitate to one thing rather than another... i dont believe kinsey deserves the recognision he got and i think the movie (from what ive heard) is a favorable work

do you think 40% of farm boys have sex with animals? (if thats a legit kinsey statistic, i dont care enough to check)

do you not think that hollywood could care less about pedophiles when people constantly sing the praises of roman polanski and rave about working with him in france

Living in Indiana, I would say the number of farmboys that have sex with animals is far higher or at least it was back in 1948 when that survey was done. There's a reason stereotypes about pig and sheep fucking farmers exist. These things happen.

Roman Polanski is a great film director. Nothing can change that. The founders of our country kept slaves and raped underage black girls. It wasn't illegal at the time so it wasn't immoral. If the age of consent in this country was 13 instead of 18 like in other countries would it suddenly be okay to have sex with 13 year olds? Are men in third world countries that marry 13 year old girls pedophiles? It's been a way of life for them for thousands of years.