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MP
09-30-2004, 09:53 PM
The debates are getting ready to start, I hope Kerry does not fuck up :)

madabad
09-30-2004, 10:43 PM
He's sounding good so far.

Angel
09-30-2004, 10:47 PM
Oops he just fucked up :rofl:

Angel
09-30-2004, 10:50 PM
oops Georgy fucked up too :rofl:

Angel
09-30-2004, 10:53 PM
Hahaha "my plan is better" what is this 3rd grade?

Goblin
09-30-2004, 10:59 PM
leno said its kinda like this that kerry needs to no act like he knows everything and bush needs to act like he knows something so the smart guy needs to act dumb and the dumb guy act smart :D

Mr. Goat
09-30-2004, 11:10 PM
oh that shits on? think i will go watch!

Mr. Goat
09-30-2004, 11:19 PM
god.. just watching GW its a wonder how he ever got it.. this guy is retarded...

Mr. Goat
09-30-2004, 11:24 PM
Kerry says NO TO NUKES! shut um down!


GW looks like hes gonna cry... lol

MP
09-30-2004, 11:48 PM
Bush was owned, Kerry did very very good!

AGB Lyn
09-30-2004, 11:49 PM
god.. just watching GW its a wonder how he ever got it.. this guy is retarded...
So true, we really need to get this "retard" out of office

Mr. Goat
09-30-2004, 11:51 PM
every time bush had to open his mouth it took him like 5 seconds to get the first word out then he stumbles... lol what a dink!

first time i have seen him live in such a situation.. priceless.

TexasDreams
10-01-2004, 12:15 AM
I think that Kerry did pretty good, got a little too focused on the "building alliances" part quite a number of times though. There were other things that just got a casual mention, that I think should have been stressed more. Things like the fact of the 13 permanent bases that we're constructing in Iraq, the lies that were told to the American public on numerous occassions, the overall costs not just to date for Iraq but also the projected future costs. Also didn't hear any mention of the fact that enlistments of duty being extended to our troops after they were shipped over to the Middle East.

Kerry did come out of it looking focused and steady. Bush tended to do his normal part of looking fidgety and bumbling.

To hell with the 63-pages of agreed to formal debate rules, I think they need to take off the gloves and go for a good old fashioned Texas Chainsaw Death-Match in a cage!!! :)

Fluid
10-01-2004, 12:27 AM
maybe that's all shit that's so far along he couldn't stop it? That could make him a little gun shy on mentioning it, if he can't solve it?

AbulletAway
10-01-2004, 12:46 AM
I thought they both did very well and brought up good points. It's funny though, watching the news. Kerry people think Kerry did well. Bush people think he did it well.

Kerry I thought sounded very determined focused but Bush I think was able to make him look like a flip flopper a few times.

Bush tripped too many times in talking and it makes him look like a doof. I think Kerry was able to make valid points in his rebuttals.

However, to my personal opinion I was hoping Kerry came off stronger. I want him to win but I think over all he didn't do much to make me feel any better about voting him. Bush on the hand made me want to vote for him. That scares me because if I felt that way then a lot of people who could go either way probably felt that way too. Asscroft needs to go. Kerry needs to focus more on how he wants to get things done as apposed to just saying he wants to get things done in these debates.

I agree with TD in that I would like to see a more open debate. The point of a debate I don't think should be to give them a few minutes to make a point on these issues. I'd like to see a debate on a single issue and have them just talk about that in depth. Instead of having a few debates on everything, have them on specific issues. Not just general issues.

MP
10-01-2004, 01:09 AM
I thought they both did very well and brought up good points. It's funny though, watching the news. Kerry people think Kerry did well. Bush people think he did it well.

Kerry I thought sounded very determined focused but Bush I think was able to make him look like a flip flopper a few times.

Bush tripped too many times in talking and it makes him look like a doof. I think Kerry was able to make valid points in his rebuttals.

However, to my personal opinion I was hoping Kerry came off stronger. I want him to win but I think over all he didn't do much to make me feel any better about voting him. Bush on the hand made me want to vote for him. That scares me because if I felt that way then a lot of people who could go either way probably felt that way too. Asscroft needs to go. Kerry needs to focus more on how he wants to get things done as apposed to just saying he wants to get things done in these debates.

I agree with TD in that I would like to see a more open debate. The point of a debate I don't think should be to give them a few minutes to make a point on these issues. I'd like to see a debate on a single issue and have them just talk about that in depth. Instead of having a few debates on everything, have them on specific issues. Not just general issues.

Bush got stomped, hands down, polls are in

CBS Kerry 92.5%
CNN Kerry 79%
MSNBC Kerry 71%

and GFY Kerry 80.95%

Nuff said Bush got his ass handed to him.

MP
10-01-2004, 01:11 AM
I cant find a poll on Fox if anyone can find it post it.

AbulletAway
10-01-2004, 01:26 AM
Bush got stomped, hands down, polls are in

CBS Kerry 92.5%
CNN Kerry 79%
MSNBC Kerry 71%

and GFY Kerry 80.95%

Nuff said Bush got his ass handed to him.


That's good to hear. I am surprised at the polls already though. How could they possible have polled so many so fast? I wonder got polled? I'd like to see that and what people are saying in the morning. Hopefully they remain the same and people continue to think he got stomped. Personally I just didn't see a stomping.

TexasDreams
10-01-2004, 01:31 AM
I cant find a poll on Fox if anyone can find it post it.

Not really necessary to look for a poll on Fox. With their history of impartiality I'm sure it would be Bush 99.9%.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

MP
10-01-2004, 01:41 AM
Not really necessary to look for a poll on Fox. With their history of impartiality I'm sure it would be Bush 99.9%.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Been watching Fox News, they are not saying Bush one, even they know Kerry did very well.

And I looked again foxnews has no poll for the debates.

MP
10-01-2004, 01:44 AM
Mort Kondracke: “This is the President's turf, this is the place that the President is supposed to dominate, terror and the war in Iraq. I don't think he really dominated tonight. I think Kerry looked like a commander-in-chief.”

Kate O'Beirne, National Review Online’s the Corner: "I thought the President was repetitive and reactive."

Jonah Goldberg, National Review Online's the Corner: "The Bush campaign miscalculated on having the first night be foreign policy night."

Bob Schieffer: “The President was somewhat defensive in the beginning”

Mark Shields: "The President showed a few times obvious anger"

Bill Kristol, Weekly Standard: “I think Kerry did pretty well tonight, he was forceful and articulate.”

Bob Schieffer: “Kerry got off to a very good start.”

Joe Scarborough: “It was John Kerry’s best performance ever…As far as the debate goes, I don’t see how anybody could look at this debate and not score this a very clear win on points for John Kerry.” (MSNBC)

Andrea Mitchell: “This is the toughest we’ve ever seen John Kerry. He attacked the very core of the President’s popularity. He’s basically saying, who do you believe?” (MSNBC)

Tim Russert: “Tonight he seemed to find his voice for the Democratic view of the world.”

Fred Barnes on FNC: "Kerry did very well and we will have a Presidential race from here on out."

MP
10-01-2004, 01:45 AM
See this

Fred Barnes on FNC: "Kerry did very well and we will have a Presidential race from here on out."

Thats a FOX News Comment

Angel
10-01-2004, 01:46 AM
I wish there was someone else worth voting for :( I don't particularly care for K or B :(

Hornywolf
10-01-2004, 01:08 PM
I wish there was someone else worth voting for :( I don't particularly care for K or B :(

I hate choosing between the lesser of two evils. It just doesnt seem right.

madabad
10-01-2004, 01:14 PM
I hate choosing between the lesser of two evils. It just doesnt seem right.
There's always Ralph Nader. :D I thought Kerry handled himself pretty well.

MP
10-01-2004, 05:43 PM
It's simple to me, Bush is a tard, you have to be fucking blind not to see it, he is a mental midget, Nadar it's a waste of a vote we all know that,

Then Kerry, yea he is the lesser of two evils, and he is not a idiot, how can you not see this, how could anyone vote for Bush over Kerry?

AbulletAway
10-01-2004, 06:56 PM
It's simple to me, Bush is a tard, you have to be fucking blind not to see it, he is a mental midget, Nadar it's a waste of a vote we all know that,

Then Kerry, yea he is the lesser of two evils, and he is not a idiot, how can you not see this, how could anyone vote for Bush over Kerry?


Because Bush made very good points that Kerry groupies just don't want to accept. The average Kerry supporter seems to think that things are going to get better if Kerry wins. Every time there's a thread somewhere about more troops being killed someone always brings up how we need to get Bush out of there. It's not like if Bush loses that the killing will stop. It will continue at the same rate. I mean Kevin, you’ve even done that here. Kerry winning doesn’t mean less troops will die. It will either remain the same or get worse until it gets resolved.

Kerry has said repeatedly that he would get more support for the war by getting more countries to support it. How he plans to do this by continuing to say it’s the wrong war at the wrong time. But ok, so if he gets some more countries involved good. All that means is that the killing will be dispersed over the troops of more countries.

Kerry does not plan to pull out. We are stuck in this war and more troops are going to continue to die with no end in site no matter who wins. For me, this is a non issue. I actually think Bush would handle it better than Kerry. I seriously don't see Kerry being really effective in a resolution. I see him, if he wins, doing a whole lot of talking and thinking with very little action. Liberals will see this as good thing because in their eyes they will feel better knowing someone is thinking about it not rushing in to anything.

For me the issue is asscroft. He's a total moron and in my opinion is a true Nazi. He would be and has been worse on porn than Al Gore and his moronic wife Tipper. I can only image what our industry would be like today if Gore had won and his wife was free to campaign all she wanted about the evils of porn.

The Middle East isn't going away, Kerry will continue to stick his nose in there long after Iraq is a done deal and Osama is captured. The Middle East will be the cause of the end of world or the US or The UN. Sooner or later the world is going to get tired of those morons and put a stop to all their petty bullshit. It's only a matter of time. None of that is gonna happen over night or is gonna effect me for a long time.

What is going to affect me and what I do care about is what's happening here. What government official next is going to tell me what I can look at, how I can look at it and so on. Right now the moronic Bush is planning on keeping asscroft and that just can not be allowed to happen. Therefore Bush is bad and Kerry, if you like Porn is the only logical alternative.

I don't know when the conservatives became so liberal. Republicans have always been against more government involvement in personal life. It was always the liberals who want laws saying this or that is either ok or not ok.

The only issue that may get better with a vote for Kerry is porn. The Middle East is just a time bomb that is going to explode and get worse no matter who is in charge. It is absolutely stupid to assume that any outside nation can get these people to think straight. Their daily lives are like our 9/11. It's all they've known since birth. It's not even really their fault because if anyone of us lived there we'd be the same. Or, we would have found a way to leave already.

<--end rant-->

MP
10-01-2004, 07:05 PM
Has nothing to do with any of that, one is a retard period, I mean I can't even look at the guy without laughing, I would pick anyone at this point to get rid of him.

Will Kerry do any better? Will less people die? Time will tell.

I have issues with a "Jerry's Kid" running the country, I can't explain it any better then that.

AbulletAway
10-01-2004, 07:13 PM
I'm not dissagreeing with that. But, that is an opinion. The fact is he is not retarded. He's actually pretty smart. He just doesn't do public speaking well. He's also using his born again Christian bullshit to get those freaks behind him. That's not a what a retard does. A retard would just drool a lot and say, "I got mail! YAY!!!" :D

MP
10-01-2004, 07:16 PM
I'm not dissagreeing with that. But, that is an opinion. The fact is he is not retarded. He's actually pretty smart. He just doesn't do public speaking well. He's also using his born again Christian bullshit to get those freaks behind him. That's not a what a retard does. A retard would just drool a lot and say, "I got mail! YAY!!!" :DHe is so close it's scary :(

MP
10-01-2004, 07:20 PM
Top 11 reasons why Dubya said, "Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their... their love with women all across this country."

1. He thinks an OB/GYN is a faith-based organization.

2. Kerry operatives found the frequency at which Karen Hughes transmits to Dubya's "hearing aid."

3. Dubya's adolescent "Dr. Bush" fantasy revealed in unscripted moment.

4. Squandered his attention-span on the first part of the sentence: spelling O-B-G-Y-N.

5. Lost in memory of his favorite television western: "Have Speculum Will Travel."

6. Lowering expectations for upcoming debates.

7. Transparent appeal to female voters who blame themselves after being sexually assaulted by their doctors (an archetypal GOP demographic).

8. Departed CIA director George Tenet is to blame for any inaccuracy in the speech.

9. Tactical flub to divert attention from covering-up Saudi financing of 9-11, allegations of his cocaine use at Camp David, photo of him with service medals he was never awarded, etc.

10. Sending-up a trial balloon for "no gynecologist left behind" legislation.

11. He's an idiot!

AGB Lyn
10-01-2004, 07:38 PM
Bullet, I understand you’re thinking, to a point. However, we all know that if Kerry gets into office there is still going to be an ongoing war. With Kerry in office we will be able to obtain more country alliances, the more countries involved the more power we have. Let’s face it, Bush took all of the reserves to send to Iraq.

More countries would have joined us in the beginning, if George weren’t such a greedy dink. He wants the oil we all know that. Him and Cheney are there for the oil.

Kerry said he wouldn’t have rushed into war, that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t rush into making this war better. It has to get better and soon. The relationships he has developed with other important countries will help in expediting the war. IMO

America cannot get any further into debt. Republicans love to put America in debt. How much has this Republican Party cost you? It’s not costing Bush anything, he got a big fat raise AND a tax break.

As for as Asscroft”, as TD would say, Bush is the one supporting this jerk. Bush is just as “mortally superior” as him. “G*d says porn is bad” and we know GW talks to G*d all the time. After all, didn’t GW says he spoke with G*d before going into war.

And for the record, I totally agree with Kevin. Except that GW, not only, makes himself look like an idiot. He make all of us, as Americans, look like idiots.


~end rant~ :D

Fluid
10-01-2004, 07:53 PM
Kevin, why don't you run?
I'd muscle voters into voting for you

MP
10-01-2004, 08:21 PM
Kevin, why don't you run?
I'd muscle voters into voting for youLol, I stutter worse then GW :)

AbulletAway
10-01-2004, 08:23 PM
Bullet, I understand you’re thinking, to a point. However, we all know that if Kerry gets into office there is still going to be an ongoing war. With Kerry in office we will be able to obtain more country alliances, the more countries involved the more power we have. Let’s face it, Bush took all of the reserves to send to Iraq.

More countries would have joined us in the beginning, if George weren’t such a greedy dink. He wants the oil we all know that. Him and Cheney are there for the oil.

Kerry said he wouldn’t have rushed into war, that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t rush into making this war better. It has to get better and soon. The relationships he has developed with other important countries will help in expediting the war. IMO

America cannot get any further into debt. Republicans love to put America in debt. How much has this Republican Party cost you? It’s not costing Bush anything, he got a big fat raise AND a tax break.

As for as Asscroft”, as TD would say, Bush is the one supporting this jerk. Bush is just as “mortally superior” as him. “G*d says porn is bad” and we know GW talks to G*d all the time. After all, didn’t GW says he spoke with G*d before going into war.

And for the record, I totally agree with Kevin. Except that GW, not only, makes himself look like an idiot. He make all of us, as Americans, look like idiots.


~end rant~ :D


Ok first, how do you know Kerry will get more countries to support the war? Because Kerry said so? So if he fails to get more support when he becomes president? What then? I suppose he will turn around blame Bush claiming he burned too many bridges and all his little supporters will believe it instead of the considering that it was only his opinion that he could get more countries and that it was not based on any fact whatsoever. But, as long as there is something or someone to blame I guess that makes it ok.

America can always get further in debt. That's a non issue.

I don't believe they are in it for the oil. I do think they hope to gain some oil for it and there's nothing wrong with that. I would hope that after we free those dumb fucking Iraqi's we at least get a break on some oil. It's business. That's what government is. It's a big business with budgets and employees. I don't care if they make some money and some cheap oil for us out of this. We can't drill oil in Alaska because a bunch of tree hugin liberals don't want to upset the Caribou. We need cheap oil and if the war also gets us that than good. If they make a buck on the side, good. It's like saying it's a conflict of interest or something. I don't see it. Its just business. I can't think of a war that had nothing to do with some kind of business deals in it. But, that doesn’t mean it was about the business. It’s like if I want to beat someone up because I think they are full of shit and a friend comes up to me and says, “You know, if you kick his ass, I’ll give you a hundred bucks.” Well does that mean I am now kicking his for the money? No I’m kicking his because I want to, the money is just icing on the cake.

Oh and so what if Kerry said he wouldn't have gotten in to the war? It's a little late for that now. I happen to agree with him though. He wouldn't have done anything. He says he would have stayed with the UN and imposed further resolutions against Saddam. Well of course he would have. For more than 15 years Saddam failed to follow the UN resolutions. He should have been bombed back to the Stone Age when Clinton was the pres. But, he being a liberal figured it was better to just keep trying to pass new resolutions in hope that they would work and dropping the occasional bombs. It's safe to pass resolutions it gives you that feeling of doing something even though it never does. Bush did something about it. He took action and that is something liberals will never do. Liberals just try to pass more and more laws that only make things worse in the long run.

I don't know why I am getting all this heat? I'm voting for Kerry. I'm just saying he isn't going to solve anything in the Middle East or Iraq. It's just going take time no matter who is in charge. If it makes you feel better to think that Kerry will actually get more people involved that's fine. But the only way he is going to accomplish that is to give up something. What that is now I don't know. But it's always about deals. You wash my back, I wash yours kinda thing. Bush went it almost alone because he was sick of Saddam's bullshit plain and simple. Call it bullshit revenge for his father which is just a stupid for anyone to think. Say it's for the oil which is also just as pointless because there is no proof of that. And, if I'm not mistaken, Cheney doesn't even own that company any more does he? Or is it now a conspiracy that he secretly does? It's just about what you want to believe. I believe in facts. I don't base my decisions based on what I hear or want to believe. I make them based some on what I can see and mostly what I can prove.

In your argument you have offered nothing but opinion and hearsay. That's fine though. You don't need anything more than that. It just would be nice if people could take the time to get past their opinions and deal only in what can be proved. Because, very rarely does making a decision based on opinion ever work out, unless that opinion was formed based on the facts at hand.

And I know Bush is the one supporting asscroft. That's why I don't want Bush in office. I'm not at all happy with the job Bush has done in Iraq and here at home with the porn biz. I base my decision on the facts. I would vote for Kerry even if he was truly retarded as long as he had a plan that was better. But, if you want to respond to this with more opinions that's fine. But, know it's a waste of time. My opinion will never get changed by another’s unless they can back up what they say with facts. And, seeing as we both want Kerry to win this whole conversation is pretty pointless. I only continue it because it amuses me to see how people react when you disagree with what they think. The fact that we want the same thing and you're arguing is amazing. I mean really. We are basically debating over how stupid Bush is. Is he stupid hasn't even come in to question here. It's just that you and Kevin think he is MORE stupid than I think he is. We both want him out office. Does it really matter why at this point?

AbulletAway
10-01-2004, 08:26 PM
Lol, I stutter worse then GW :)


I would still vote for you. But, I would make Kevin top ten lists when you goof up :D

MP
10-01-2004, 08:28 PM
How the fuck do you type that much :)

Fluid
10-01-2004, 08:37 PM
he hires midgets to type for him

TexasDreams
10-01-2004, 08:38 PM
I'm not dissagreeing with that. But, that is an opinion. The fact is he is not retarded. He's actually pretty smart. He just doesn't do public speaking well. He's also using his born again Christian bullshit to get those freaks behind him. That's not a what a retard does. A retard would just drool a lot and say, "I got mail! YAY!!!" :D

"Special George", the sad thing is that I can picture him saying that. :rolleyes:

One of the primary functions of the President is to be the figure-head of the country, and when you have a figure that comes off always looking as a total idiot, that ain't a good thing.

Google search for "bushisms" Results 1 - 10 of about 93,200 for bushisms. (0.58 seconds).

I don't think that this country will ever have another President that can reach that status of being such a total dolt and laughing stock.

:sadfuck: :sadfuck: :sadfuck: :sadfuck: :sadfuck:

TexasDreams
10-01-2004, 08:42 PM
I would still vote for you. But, I would make Kevin top ten lists when you goof up :D

All that, and AGBLyn would make a damn HOT First Lady!!!

:naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:

Angel
10-01-2004, 09:15 PM
I'd vote for any guy who was normal...for example if he said "oh shit" on camera during any debate I would vote for him :rofl:

AGB Lyn
10-01-2004, 09:30 PM
Bullet, I'm right but I still love you :)

AbulletAway
10-01-2004, 09:33 PM
Bullet, I'm right but I still love you :)



Now that's where I draw the line damn it! You can think Bush is more stupid than I do but to profess your love for me? How dare you!






















Does this mean we can do the naughty in Vegas? :naughty:

AGB Lyn
10-01-2004, 09:35 PM
:lol1:

AbulletAway
10-01-2004, 09:36 PM
"Special George", the sad thing is that I can picture him saying that. :rolleyes:

One of the primary functions of the President is to be the figure-head of the country, and when you have a figure that comes off always looking as a total idiot, that ain't a good thing.

Google search for "bushisms" Results 1 - 10 of about 93,200 for bushisms. (0.58 seconds).

I don't think that this country will ever have another President that can reach that status of being such a total dolt and laughing stock.

:sadfuck: :sadfuck: :sadfuck: :sadfuck: :sadfuck:



Becareful what you wish for. It can always get worse. But I have to agree. The dude looks stupid way too much. I was watching some thing he was at a month or two ago and he was out of it the crowed, his supportes laughed at him. God it was embarrassing.