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mpahlca
09-04-2004, 07:49 PM
Just a thought on this, but thinking about it from several angles, I can't see how these new rules are a bad thing.

Also since I am a Canadian Webmaster I don't actually have to follow them, but i look at it as a way to reduce the overuse of hardcore content to increase conversions on paysites.

And I also think the time and expense may remove the webmasters who are just throwing content out there from the game.

What do you think? and why?

the Shemp
09-04-2004, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by mpahlca
Just a thought on this, but thinking about it from several angles, I can't see how these new rules are a bad thing.

Also since I am a Canadian Webmaster I don't actually have to follow them, but i look at it as a way to reduce the overuse of hardcore content to increase conversions on paysites.

And I also think the time and expense may remove the webmasters who are just throwing content out there from the game.

What do you think? and why?

i dont see it having any effect on the amount of hardcore available.
most of the hardcore comes from the sponsors..im sure they have 2257 for it..

i see it causing a ton more record keeping, plus some issues regarding the privacy of some models with their own sites.

mpahlca
09-05-2004, 01:07 AM
Well see, from my understanding Shemp the rule would reduce hardcore thumbs, otherwise they would have to have the 2257 under the thumb, that will change the amount of hardcore being shown on thumbs etc.

I agree with the record keeping and problems with international content providers and privacy laws in those countries.

the Shemp
09-05-2004, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by mpahlca
Well see, from my understanding Shemp the rule would reduce hardcore thumbs, otherwise they would have to have the 2257 under the thumb, that will change the amount of hardcore being shown on thumbs etc.

I agree with the record keeping and problems with international content providers and privacy laws in those countries.

softcore thumbs doesnt mean that there wont be hardcore content in the gallery. The largest hardcore free sites are text linked anyway...

mpahlca
09-05-2004, 02:05 AM
I realize this but galleries with hardcore thumbs that are based in the us will have to have visible 2257 on the gallery for the hardcore thumb, thus reducing the effectiveness and continuity of the gallery to the sponsor.

Just my opinion

the Shemp
09-05-2004, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by mpahlca
I realize this but galleries with hardcore thumbs that are based in the us will have to have visible 2257 on the gallery for the hardcore thumb, thus reducing the effectiveness and continuity of the gallery to the sponsor.

Just my opinion

they were always supposed to have that... ;)

mpahlca
09-06-2004, 03:07 AM
Nice, interesting how little the laws are upheld, eh?

Nice chatting with you on a serious subject, what do you think of advertising levels on tgps/mgps?

I am going for a 'heavy' level of advertising including lots of banner/ad views and lots of text links.

I notice most of the 'shempgroup' are similar in layout and ad levels, and was just wondering if you used an adserver or similar system to cross your ads over multiple sites?

the Shemp
09-06-2004, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by mpahlca
Nice, interesting how little the laws are upheld, eh?

Nice chatting with you on a serious subject, what do you think of advertising levels on tgps/mgps?

I am going for a 'heavy' level of advertising including lots of banner/ad views and lots of text links.

I notice most of the 'shempgroup' are similar in layout and ad levels, and was just wondering if you used an adserver or similar system to cross your ads over multiple sites?

i have to say, it is really hard to police the internet.

as for the ads...we dont use a separate ad server, although it has crossed my mind. A lot of the banners and text spots on shemp.com are prepaid. After that we load up with links to our AVS sites and then finally we use affilate programs to fill in the remainder. my goal is to make 1 cent per day per unique visitor and to do it without using dialers, consoles or spyware.

Panky
09-06-2004, 06:45 AM
As for the ammendments to 2257, I really don't see how they will be approved, and if they are, how can they possibly enforce it? That would be one major undertaking. There's the privacy issues as well.

It's an election year afterall. A lot of topics are going to get brought to the table for this reason or that. After the elections, many things get put on the back burner or forgotten about completely.

mpahlca
09-06-2004, 02:42 PM
Panky I agree with that, it's just that in this biz being prepared means being ahead of the rest. Most webmaster's follow a 'wait and see philosophy', and this for me is bad business, you want to be ready before any possible implications/complications are raised.

mpahlca
09-06-2004, 02:44 PM
Shemp, if you want to see an adserver at work check out any of my ads at pornstar-hangout.com they are all rotated using phpadsnew, I can then load and track banners, text ads, anything you can imagine, I use it on my avs members area's as well to help make my ads extremely effective.

the Shemp
09-06-2004, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by mpahlca
Shemp, if you want to see an adserver at work check out any of my ads at pornstar-hangout.com they are all rotated using phpadsnew, I can then load and track banners, text ads, anything you can imagine, I use it on my avs members area's as well to help make my ads extremely effective.

would i have to hire another warm body to figure it out?

fuzebox
09-06-2004, 04:30 PM
phpadsnew is a pretty good package, I've set it up for clients in the past...

Simple and works. Most ad packages don't seem to get this concept :)

Panky
09-06-2004, 06:48 PM
PHPAdsNew is sooo cool! It's easy to work with. :D



Most webmaster's follow a 'wait and see philosophy', and this for me is bad business, you want to be ready before any possible implications/complications are raised.
I agree. Many people do not prepare for anything or very little. Just because I tend to think a lot of these issues come out because it is an election year, in no way means that I'm just brushing it off. It is definitely an important issue and one that needs to be followed closely.

It's just that some people panic and they don't stop to think and effectively plan their next move. They just jump right in and start doing this or that because someone told them to. Sometimes, it leads to doing more damage than good and most often involves a lot of hours that could've been applied to somewhere else.

With the proposed ammendments, we can only do so much to prepare, because afterall, none of us knows exactly what the future holds.

mpahlca
09-07-2004, 02:05 AM
Shemp, if you don't mind reading the manuals it's definately worth it, took me about a day, after going thru the manuals, (gotta be the best manuals I have seen for a software package) it was very easy to use, and is still amazing! It can even handle banners on multiple domains, I run all my tgps thru one installation.

mpahlca
09-07-2004, 02:07 AM
I agree. Many people do not prepare for anything or very little. Just because I tend to think a lot of these issues come out because it is an election year, in no way means that I'm just brushing it off. It is definitely an important issue and one that needs to be followed closely.

It's just that some people panic and they don't stop to think and effectively plan their next move. They just jump right in and start doing this or that because someone told them to. Sometimes, it leads to doing more damage than good and most often involves a lot of hours that could've been applied to somewhere else.

With the proposed ammendments, we can only do so much to prepare, because afterall, none of us knows exactly what the future holds. [/B]

I agree completely planning for just such events is the only way to manage yourself, and to look for future concerns that may be instituted, if you are ahead of possible regulations you are usually on good footing!

SirMoby
09-08-2004, 07:45 PM
Are the new regulations even designed to reduce the amount of hardcore content on the Internet? Are they designed to allow easy arrests so that press releases can be made before an election?

I am all for the concept of 2257 but when reading the new proposal I find it hard to believe that they were designed to remove hardcore content from the Internet. Besides won't it just move over seas?

the Shemp
09-08-2004, 10:05 PM
Are the new regulations even designed to reduce the amount of hardcore content on the Internet? Are they designed to allow easy arrests so that press releases can be made before an election?

I am all for the concept of 2257 but when reading the new proposal I find it hard to believe that they were designed to remove hardcore content from the Internet. Besides won't it just move over seas?

Investment usually goes to the place where the return is good and with as little government involvement as possible. once 2257 is made offical, im sure we will see some movement..

MP
09-08-2004, 10:18 PM
This BBS uses PHPads for about a year, works pretty good :)